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re: Ellen wants to make you think he's all about love, diversity, and inclusion
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I think it's something along the lines of thinking it's a sin or just generally thinking it's wrong or immoral.
How are you defining get acceptance?
You can love the heck out of your kid and think you're "accepting" but if you're telling him you love him "in spite of" him being gay and you love him even though you don't agree with his lifestyle, no I don't think that's accepting at all. It's tolerating.
But again, I don't see what there is to not accept about being gay, that's my stance. Like the broccoli example, like the poster's anti-left handed people barb....I literally view it in that same realm, not much different. I don't know what there is for me to not accept.
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If I ever get a show, and someone says straight men are embarrassing perverts, they arent going to come on my show and get a chance to promote their brand
. Throwing people off the set or out of the house is a lack of acceptance.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:16 pm to lsupride87
quote:I think that last part is what we're missing.
If I ever get a show, and someone says straight men are embarrassing perverts, they arent going to come on my show and get a chance to promote their brand
If someone says something that is entirely disrespectful to you, why would Ellen allow her on her show to promote herself? I don't think that's a lack of acceptance, I think we're filling that one incorrectly.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Disliking what someone is or identifies with is fairly normal.
Doesn't make it right
And if by normal, you mean commonplace, then yes it is a normal form of prejudice.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:19 pm to shel311
Would you're view of acceptance extend to virtually any lifestyle? I mean my aunt thinks my cousin is "wrong" but supports her and loves her. I don't believe you could honestly claim she's unaccepting.
Their probably more "unnaccepting" of the fact that she's a perennial 30 year old college student without a degree.
Their probably more "unnaccepting" of the fact that she's a perennial 30 year old college student without a degree.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I think you can. If she thinks it's wrong, by default she does not accept it. She loves her daughter, in spite of what she feels is a major flaw in her life choices. WE may even be arguing semantics at this point, as you'd probably say that means she's accepting her daughter for who she is, but I'd say she accepts her, but she doesn't really accept that choice, she loves her in spite of that choice.
Would you're view of acceptance extend to virtually any lifestyle? I mean my aunt thinks my cousin is "wrong" but supports her and loves her. I don't believe you could honestly claim she's unaccepting.
quote:Yea, I would be too.
Their probably more "unnaccepting" of the fact that she's a perennial 30 year old college student without a degree.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Acknowledging the existence of =/= acceptance
Sincere genuine acceptance requires the understanding that it's not wrong. It's not bad, immoral, or negative in any way.
Sincere genuine acceptance requires the understanding that it's not wrong. It's not bad, immoral, or negative in any way.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:22 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
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What is accepting?
Can someone not believe it's a lifestyle choice? It's never been proven that people are born gay.
I didn't read through this whole thread yet, but are you saying people made the decision to be gay? Can you make yourself sexually attracted to something you are not sexually attracted to? You are straight right? If some hot girl came up to you and started rubbing on you, you would probably get all excited, get a hard on, etc right? What if a guy came up to you and started rubbing you? You wouldn't like that at all.. It doesn't turn you on, etc..
Do you think someone wakes up one morning and says "you know what? I think I am not going to get sexually attracted to how women anymore. I want to start having sex with other dudes"?
If it is a choice then why are there people who are ashamed of being gay? Some people fight it to the point they get married to a woman, have a family, etc.. Then it gets to the point where they can't hide it anymore. There are people who grew up in a religious home and they were taught that being gay is a sin so they think that because they are sexually attracted to people from the same sex that they are committing a sin, etc. Its not a lifestyle choice.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:25 pm to shel311
quote:
I think you can. If she thinks it's wrong, by default she does not accept it.
Not buying that. Some people are wired differently. They're predisposed to certain philosophies. Loving unconditionally means loving even when you think someone is wrong, which to me is a greater love.
If you think your kid has to be right to love them, you'll never love them.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Would you're view of acceptance extend to virtually any lifestyle?
My concept of acceptance, yes.
If youre asking if I'm accepting of all lifestyles because I advocate acceptance of gays, no.
I'm neither accepting nor tolerant of radical islam, BLM, white supremacists, child molesters, welfare leeches, and a long list of others.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:27 pm to Redbone
My thing is this... who the frick am I to tell someone that they should live a certain way?
I don't care if you're gay, bi, tranny (I don't understand it, but whatever), white, black, etc, even if I do feel a certain way about someone or their lifestyle, I keep that opinion to myself unless someone asks..
you will never find me getting on a soapbox on social media (TD is different bc I'm sort of anonymous) because:
(A) nobody really gives a shite what I think
(B) I was raised to be respectful of people who are different than me
(C) I know and respect many people who are in fact way different than me and in some ways I respect them for it
People are so quick to judge others and condemn them for the way they are.. I don't believe in that.. shite, if I was so closed-minded living where I do i would be a miserable, bitter person who hated everyone who was different than me and also I wouldn't have half the friends I do now
I was called a racist bigot on Facebook during the election because I called out a feminist SJW for her bullshite.. so I went through my friends list and noticed one thing - yes there were whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, gays, two muslims, and a Russian guy.. you know what they have in common? The ones that are still around and the ones I talk to all have something in common - they are all good people.. that's the barometer I set for my friends/associates - not race or social status
I would like to point out, however, that I agree with this.. call me what you want
I don't care if you're gay, bi, tranny (I don't understand it, but whatever), white, black, etc, even if I do feel a certain way about someone or their lifestyle, I keep that opinion to myself unless someone asks..
you will never find me getting on a soapbox on social media (TD is different bc I'm sort of anonymous) because:
(A) nobody really gives a shite what I think
(B) I was raised to be respectful of people who are different than me
(C) I know and respect many people who are in fact way different than me and in some ways I respect them for it
People are so quick to judge others and condemn them for the way they are.. I don't believe in that.. shite, if I was so closed-minded living where I do i would be a miserable, bitter person who hated everyone who was different than me and also I wouldn't have half the friends I do now
I was called a racist bigot on Facebook during the election because I called out a feminist SJW for her bullshite.. so I went through my friends list and noticed one thing - yes there were whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, gays, two muslims, and a Russian guy.. you know what they have in common? The ones that are still around and the ones I talk to all have something in common - they are all good people.. that's the barometer I set for my friends/associates - not race or social status
quote:
I'm neither accepting nor tolerant of radical islam, BLM, white supremacists, child molesters, welfare leeches.
I would like to point out, however, that I agree with this.. call me what you want
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:29 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:
Sincere genuine acceptance requires the understanding that it's not wrong. It's not bad, immoral, or negative in any way
You're way too rigid. The world doesn't work that way. It's never black/white.
You're pushing your views with no understanding the nuances of relationships. In fact, your fighting intolerance with intolerance
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:30 pm to Mr. Hangover
My thing is this... who the frick am I to tell someone that they should live a
quote:
certain
This is my perspective and it extends to everyone, not just those I agree with
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
no understanding the nuances of relationships
You presume much, old man.
I'm specific, or at least I try to be.
Unconditional love is a greater form of love, I agree.
But if you're loving someone in spite of "X" that you deem wrong, that's not genuine acceptance of X. It's love of that particular person and that's it.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
My thing is this... who the frick am I to tell someone that they should live a
Well Kumbaya, can't we all just get along.
There are certain things that are flat out wrong--maniacal murder and rape, I think we can at least agree on that--and it doesnt make one "intolerant" to speak out against it.
Does your perspective extend to rapists and murderers, Roger?
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:45 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:
There are certain things that are flat out wrong--maniacal murder and rape, I think we can at least agree on that--and it doesnt make one "intolerant" to speak out against it.
Well, that's to the point where you are fricking with other people's rights, so we as a society come together and take someone down for doing outright crimes against their fellow citizens. Hardly applicable here.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:51 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
Compare and contrast this with the baker declining to make the wedding cake controversy. Go.
--posted same on Political board thread
--posted same on Political board thread
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:53 pm to Jake88
quote:
It's not a crock of shite, it's environment. It's what shapes all of us.
Are you seriously suggesting there is ANY environment that could make you a homosexual?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Roger either I'm reading it wrong or you fricked up your quote really bad
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:55 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:
Does your perspective extend to rapists and murderers, Roger?
Where are you on the autism spectrum? You're very irrational and seemingly socially awkward.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 1:55 pm
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