re: Dudes dropping out of dating game.

If she ain't 280 she ain't a lady.

Because dudes are getting wiped the frick out left and right in divorce court. It's a slaughterhouse out there for us. I told myself I'm never doing that again. I date casually, but have no desire to get into anything serious. I also don't mess with online dating. The Good Lord still provides chicks in bars for the rest of us. Focusing on career and restoring the half of my retirement that was taken away.

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7 downvotes is a disappointment

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A lot of guys now wallow in helplessness. They spent so much time on the dudebro websites they drank the kool aid and now think every woman is a cardboard cutout of a media influencer and what's a loser like them to do?

Step 1 is stop being a victim. Stop caring what every woman thinks. To imagine they don't like you is to make it so. It's the weirdest dynamic of the relations between men and women. Women are attracted to men who casually and politely ignore them or their opinions.

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Sexless Men without economic or marriage prospects turn to radicalism to fill the void. They are always the first line shock troops of EVERY revolution. If you look at economic statistics like average age of first marriage, average age of first child, and other indicators which fluctuate over time to show how comfortable most people are, the stats have gotten insanely bad over the last 4 years. Average age of first marriage and first child go up as living standards for middle and working class households decline, often peaking before a massive war, plague, or revolution.

The stats right now in the West are real bad. I’m talking pre French Revolution bad. I fully believe that easy access to internet porn is the only thing currently stalling a violent revolution, and it will only delay it, not prevent it. As soon as enough people realize that the risk and opportunities of burning it all down outweigh the certainties of the status quo, all allegiance and obedience to the institutions that govern and protect us will cease. They will burn down the world they have no place in in the hopes of a home in the new one they’ll build upon the ashes.

To save the Republic, we must improve the economic prospects of the working and middle classes.

To save the Republic, we must repair our broken dating culture to get more young men and women married and having children.

If you’re a gen x or boomer and wondering “is it really that bad? Sounds like a lot of losers complaining.” It’s bad, it’s really really bad. It’s worse than you can possibly imagine. This is a civilizational level existential threat as serious as a f$&king meteor.

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Gen X dad of a 24 year old son...and it is BAD. He is a good looking young man and makes about $60K a year and does alright "hooking up" but has never had any long term relationships. He has some truly negative ideas about women his age and has as improbable ideals about what an appropriate mate is that he is as bad as the women his age...race is not a factor but they better be smoking hot and they better be damned intelligent and capable of engaging intellectually or he will eventually let them know how vapid they are. I get it but at some point most people find someone they can tolerate mostly and make a go of it...the search for a soulmate normally is satisfied about year 5 or so of a relationship.

I worry about him not being fulfilled. My marriage, as bad as I tried to avoid it when I was his age, is the absolute hands down best thing that ever happened to me and it ain't close. I worry that he will never have that. He may not want it but its hard to imagine why, at least for me. It is definitely an issue that is not going away.

Not to admit to being a reprobate racist but you do not see this as much, in my opinion, among races other than white people. The tendency to earn less and have fewer opportunities OR examples of upper middle class tempers expectations I think...I may be wrong...but I think the average hispanic woman 25 years old or the average black woman at that age is more willing to consider a man earning less than $100k a year and living like a normal 25 year old. There is certainly a trend world wide for poorer people to still find a mate and have a family where kids of upper middle class white westerners seem to be incapable of doing it. Again, that may just be some racist BS in my mental makeup but you see a lot of young families who aren't white and very few young families who are, at least in my area.

Well said.

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I always figured this is why the men in the Middle East are so angry all the time. All the women wearing blankets and you’re thirsty all the time bc you live in a desert.

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Seriously the reason men in Islamic culture have such disdain for women is because their religion teaches them that women are not their equal. They have marginalized women and unlike western culture women are unable to mitigate through sex...because outside of having babies they think it is wrong, men and women. In the west even when women were basically property they could withhold sex and keep their man toeing the line more or less. Society would also help by only allowing a certain amount of mistreatment.

Women in the west are headed for the same experience as women in Islam. They are unwilling to use the power of sex because it is beneath them...they have been told they are equal and thats all there is to it. Thats all fine and well but there is the biological imperative that drives both sexes to procreate. As more and more decide not to have kids...and its the right decision in our culture today...more and more men are marginalized YET they are still men and still wield all of the power in our culture. We may be equal on paper and as an idea but in reality it just ain't so. If it doesn't change western women are going to find out just how unequal they are. Roe v. Wade being overturned is just the tip of the iceberg....once the dust settles there is other similar legislation that will come along. If the young people don't figure it out the group with less power...women...are going to bear the brunt of the multitude of problems that will arise from a society so dysfunctional that people can't figure out procreation.

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Dudes with a house and a career have no interest in banging the same ole same ole.
- We cherish variety in women

Seriously, who wants to frick the same ole person over, and over and over again??

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You must be a child with a child's understanding of life.

This perspective is equivalent to a child saying "who says you can't eat candy everyday for breakfast?"


There's a reason thousands of years of human societies placed restraints on sexual activity and when it was proper or not. If you can't understand those reasons then I cannot help you. Enjoy the ruin you bring to yourself and all the women you run through and then men and children who deal with the aftermath wrought by your immature shortsightedness.

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When did Tinder become a "dating" app. I thought that was just a get laid app?

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I've found it difficult to find chicks on there that just want to get laid without establishing a "little connection" as well. Some of the chicks want you to wine and dine them first to make the experience feel more authentic. And that's where I start to have problems. I don't want to be seen on a date with most of them. I just want them to show up at my place after 10 PM so even my neighbors won't know.