re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

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a police with more accountability is better for a free society, sorry you enjoy boot taste. Guess you need big government to solve your problems.

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Way to skirt the question.

It’s very simple, If police are the problem why do less police equal more crime?

Better for free society

Is shite popping off yet?

The defense fricked up by not having a pulmonologist and a cardiologist to contradict the woke prosecution doctors

Nelson relied on the idea that the state has to prove chauvin’s guilt (which normally is true). In hindsight I think he underestimated the mob

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I pretty much expected the Manslaughter charge and even understood how that could fit, but murder absolutely DOES NOT. Our jobs are hard enough as it is without having to worry about YET ANOTHER angle that'll take you away from your family for life

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The city settled for an amount that needed to be higher than amount they settled with family of Justine Damond to show “equality”, and i guess i forgot Noor had charges upgraded to 2nd degree murder but was then acquitted of that 2nd degree charge while convicted of 3rd degree and manslaughter. Had i remembered I would have seen the 2nd degree conviction coming today.

Noor was sentenced to 12.5 years, so Chauvin’s sentence is going to be longer.

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On March 20, 2018, Noor was charged with second-degree manslaughter and third-degree murder. Noor claimed self defense. Prosecutors later upgraded the charges against Noor to second-degree intentional murder. In April 2019, Noor was convicted of third-degree murder and manslaughter, but acquitted of intentional second-degree murder. In June 2019, Noor was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison.

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In 2020, the murder of George Floyd by Derek Chauvin, a Minneapolis police officer, resulted in prolonged local unrest and sparked a global protest movement about racial justice and police brutality. George Floyd's death was compared to the shooting of Damond and the successful criminal case against Noor. Some felt that the local judicial system was inconsistent and that it did not hold white police officers who killed black men accountable for their actions.

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but quite a few posters ITT that are drooling over a convicted felon's boots to lick.

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How bad would you like to lick convicted felon George Floyd’s boots?

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The biggest hole in the prosecution’s case was Floyd saying he couldn’t breath in the back of the police car before Chauvin even got involved. How did Floyd go from having one cause of not being able to breathe, to a different cause (Chauvin's knee)? If I was the defense I would have kept hammering that point. But for some strange reason the defense didn't seem to mention it. Honestly not that it would have mattered, this guilty verdict was signed sealed and delivered the minute they kept the case in Minneapolis

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thats not a problem at all for the prosecution, it even hurts the defense. why would you engage in dangerous restraint when the victim was already struggling to breath? someone entirely subdued and handcuffed struggling to breath to the point of death (like you believe happened because of an OD)isn't a justification for force, its the opposite.

go ahead and smother your grandma with COPD and see how well your defense goes. lmao "Your honor, how could I have caused any harm if she was already struggling to breath before I started smothering her?"

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answer is very simple if you put away the strawman. police aren't the problem, its police who abuse their authority and power committing crime are. If you are so anti-crime, why the mental gynmastics to give criminal cops a free pass?

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It’s not a strawman. A very small number of criminals dying while being arrested is an inevitable outcome in a country with so much violent crime and a culture that resists arrest because they are being taught to not trust the police.

The only way to reduce these rare occurrences is to reduce the amount of policing or make police less effective (take away their guns)

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some studies suggest a 10% increase of police force to reduce crime 3%. so lets say 1% of cops are bad and commit crime, that means a 0.3% crime increase if they are dealt with. Id gladly accept .3% civilian crimes over 1% government LEO power abuse. If you have a problem with 1% estimation use whatever numbers you want in that ratio instead.

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Did you learn theoretical calculations from Dr. Tobin?

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Im not nearly so thirsty for big government

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Talk about a strawman

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You're a moron if you think the movements spawned by this case have any actual desire to bring accountability to the police. BLM and other social justice causes want an even bigger and more intrusive government than we have now. That necessarily requires a larger police presence, which in turn increases the risk of bad police interactions. The goal of the social justice movement isn't to abolish or even defund the police. They want to replace the existing police structure with their ideological minions, which should frighten anyone and everyone who believes in due process. The same people cheering this verdict as a victory for police accountability have zero problem using federal law enforcement to lie, spy on folks and destroy people's lives (so long as they're Trump supporters

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Shut up you fricking racsist!

way to skirt my question, its very simple. -

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if we get back to the actual argument about getting rid of bad cops instead of your strawman of all cops, are you suggesting more bad cops is better for a free society?

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A very small number of criminals dying while being arrested is an inevitable outcome in a country with so much violent crime and a culture that resists arrest because they are being taught to not trust the police.
The only way to reduce these rare occurrences is to reduce the amount of policing or make police less effective (take away their guns)

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they didnt use guns and still managed to murder a civilian. maybe if cops held each other accountable for crimes earlier they would've earned more trust. protecting bad cops likely cost that trust you seem to believe is so important for a civilian to have in their government officer. better training would reduce both criminal or justified occurrences of this too.

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Talk about a strawman

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maybe it was a strawman but you seem to be backing it up by suggesting it happens because they dont trust their government officers and defending government officers murdering a civilian. Cops aren't your friend, they are government officers granted life-or-death power over civilians. It sure does seem like you are thirsty for big government if you believe the problem is not trusting the government enforcers enough