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re: Deep South Christmas COLD

Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61264 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:41 pm to
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but its hard to explain the high level of confidence ive had for two weeks now this was gonna happen.

Its obvious.


I believe you.
It's just that some of these folks take some of the more extreme snow/ice forecast that have been posted over the past few days as gospel and lose their damn minds when that doesn't happen.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:41 pm to
Yeah but you dont get this particular upper level set up across the Arctic very often.

Its a couple of times a decade type stuff.

I will certainly catch a few more very cold days this winter, but it takes quite a bit more to get this kind of cold into the south.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
146233 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:46 pm to
Nick Mik's update from this afternoon on the cold

quote:

Meteorologist Nick Mikulas
Louisiana is doing Louisiana things as northwest parts of the state are seeing sleet mixing in with the rain with temperatures in the upper 40s. Dry air just above the ground can make for some weird weather, and it certainly has today. I don’t think we will see sleet around Alexandria, as it’s close to 60 degrees, but dry air likes to be a bit of a show off, so we shall see. Clearly, whatever happens, it’ll be liquid soon after it reaches the ground, and travel won’t be impacted. The best chance to see a few sleet pellets remains north of a Many to Natchitoches to Winnfield to Olla line.

Beyond that, and what I’m confident most of you are concerned with is the blast of cold air that’s coming straight from the Arctic to our backyard. The problem for winter fans is that models keep trending deeper, and colder with this airmass, meaning it could be difficult to squeeze out any winter precipitation. So let’s start with the cold. I wouldn’t be surprised if we spent 60-72 hours below freezing. I know Forest Hill just experienced a tornado, but if you own a nursery, you need to plan for this now. 2-3 days of below freezing temperatures, without warming above freezing during the day, with lows easily dropping to the 15-20 degree range are possible. So nurseries, farmers with sensitive crops, or people with a nice winter garden full of mustard greens need to have all preparations made by Wednesday evening. This front will likely come through sometime Thursday, and temperatures will fall quickly. Some models indicate wind chills around, or even slightly below zero by Thursday night.

Yesterday’s ensembles were more encouraging for wintry weather with the cold, but the trend toward colder air means it’s more likely we won’t see enough moisture, or a storm track far enough north to create winter weather. It’s still absolutely possible, but these last couple of runs of ensembles aren’t as encouraging as what I saw last night. But I do see two opportunities for something festive falling from the sky.

Opportunity number 1 comes behind the Arctic front. As the base of the trough moves through, there could be enough lift in the cold air to create some light snow. This is a low probability event, and it’s 6 days out. It’s something I’m watching trends on, but for now, would only put a 10-15% chance for flakes in our area. That’s actually a respectable chance, but don’t tell the kids.

Opportunity 2 comes around Christmas Day or the 26th. That’s been the stronger signal on models until today. It’s 9-10 days away, which is total fantasy land, and when I’m only really watching trends as opposed to forecast specifics. I wouldn’t even put a chance on something that far out, but your apps are talking about it, and it’s Christmas, so I’ll at least mention this as a non-zero chance.

The one thing that is a virtual lock is incredibly cold air. The most extreme cold models are colder than I’m talking about, but that would require snowpack very nearby, or over our area, so I’m discounting those for now. I’ve posted the Canadian model ensemble numbers. Those are the coldest, and closest to what I think reality will look like. I’ll start updating daily as this has the potential to be a fairly rare, and extreme cold event for our area. I’m watching this so closely that I worry I won’t get anything else done for the next 10 days. Good for you all, but my wife is ready to clean this house, so I’m going to cut this “short”. We’ll talk tomorrow unless it starts sleeting tonight. Let me know if you see any winter fun this evening!


Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61264 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:55 pm to
Thanks for posting that.

Dumb question, but around what temperature and duration of said temp do people really need to worry about busted pipes?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71332 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:00 pm to
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Dumb question, but around what temperature and duration of said temp do people really need to worry about busted pipes?

Generally, 24 hours, or if it doesn't get above freezing for a day. That particularly applies to homes that you are not in much, or will be away from. During extended freezes, if you are in the home, living as normal, you won't need to drip faucets in the daytime. Your daily routine is enough. Drip them at night, though, to be on the safe side.

Closing your outside vents if you are in a pier and beam home helps greatly. Making sure crawl spaces are covered well. Wrap or cover any exposed hydrants. I run an electric oil heater on low in the bathroom of my shop when it gets really cold. Supplemental heat on/near your washing machine or other supply lines, if they are on an outside wall, doesn't hurt, either.
Posted by Tigerholic
Member since Sep 2006
2455 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:51 pm to
Run the dishwasher on a 4 hour delay before going to bed helps.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15241 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:51 pm to
nothing more than a hard freeze during the christmas timeframe
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15241 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:57 pm to
leave it to louisiana to be in the 30s in october, 80s and 20s in december
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71332 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:59 pm to
quote:

Run the dishwasher on a 4 hour delay before going to bed helps.

I don't think she's gonna like waiting that long.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104237 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:02 pm to
I live in an older pier and beam house. I've had pipes freeze in the mid twenties overnight. Whenever it gets below about 30 I drip all the faucets. Don't forget the toilets. Turn the inlet valve off, prop the flush valve open and turn the inlet valve back on slightly. This worked for me in 2021 with temperatures in the teens for a week and no heat in the house due to power failure. Hopefully it will again.
Posted by trussthetruzz
Marquette, MI
Member since Sep 2020
9236 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:03 pm to


The always trusty accuweather is showing this
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
28962 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:04 pm to
I'm going to go ahead and check in as safe now.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107473 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:06 pm to
Based on this current forecast how is it looking for driving from Houston to Lake Charles area on the 23rd?
Posted by trussthetruzz
Marquette, MI
Member since Sep 2020
9236 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

Based on this current forecast

You’ll be fine
quote:

current forecast

Will change

Don’t make decisions this far out. Just keep monitoring it
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15641 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

Based on this current forecast how is it looking for driving from Houston to Lake Charles area on the 23rd?


Best to stay home. Gasoline fuel will freeze at -100 degrees Fahrenheit
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104237 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

Yeah but you dont get this particular upper level set up across the Arctic very often.

Its a couple of times a decade type stuff.



I'd like to believe you, but...

2018, two separate outbreaks, one in the low teens and one in single digits.

2021, a crippling snow/ice storm with temperatures below freezing for a week.

2022???
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29850 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:25 am to
quote:

They know not what they ask for
as long as I don't lose electricity in good.

Lost it for 2 days on Feb 2021. Morning temps were 1 and 9 respectively.

We thought we'd stick it out until the first night it got down to 34 in the house. Couldn't put the 2 year old through that.

I'll pass
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29850 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:27 am to
How about that 62deg daytime then 18deg night? That's nutty
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
7052 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:17 am to
Gonna get precipitation every day for the next 10 days except when it’s cold enough for snow?
Posted by ellesssuuu
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
3167 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:21 am to
As long as people wrap pipes and run water they won’t freeze
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