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Damming report on how St.Judes Hospital sues to take estates away from rightful heirs.

Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:53 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:53 pm
I was curious about what happens when a St.Jude raffle house is won, how someone must pay the taxes on the winnings before St.Jude will give away the home. There have been instances across the country where winners who purchased a winning raffle ticket don't get the house because St.Jude requires the winner come forward and claim the prize within 10 days AND must also pay the taxes to the IRS then, too, or they forfeit the house, which St.Jude then keeps and sells, profiting both from the home and from all the raffle tickets sold. Win a $650k house? You better be in a position to fork over $200k in cash or they keep the house and there's no consolation prize. I thought that was fricked up.

No, what's REALLY fricked up in they have a very well-oiled legal, sales and accounting machine that puts St.Jude against the family members of people with large estates, and actively cultivates business relationships with estate planners and attorneys to get them to nudge their elderly clients into making large bequests, with St.Jude employees actively working around the family members trying to convince wealthy possible donors to leave family members out of wills. Even legit wills, they take it to court because they will claim it wasn't really the true intent of the deceased, even playing spouses against the other, and taking heirs all the way to their state's Supreme Court.

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“At the end of it, there is very little to hold on to feel good about,” said Vance Lanier, of Lafayette, Louisiana, who won a years long legal battle with St. Jude over his father’s estate but not before both sides spent heavily on the case.

“Think of all the fees for lawyers that didn’t go to St. Jude, not one child, not one cancer patient,” Lanier said. “Where is the sanity in all this?”

Lanier is a financial planner in Lafayette, Louisiana, who helps clients with estate and trust matters. His father, Eugene, died in December 2015. His will directed that $100,000 from the proceeds of the sale of his home go to St. Jude.

But there was a problem. The elder Lanier did not own his home, according to his son. More than a decade earlier he had placed it in a trust, along with other assets, to benefit his three children.

To Lanier, it was a simple matter. St. Jude was not entitled to any money from the house sale. “He had given away his assets to put into a trust,” Lanier said. “My dad did not own it. He could have changed that while he was alive, but he didn’t.”

Still, recognizing that his father did want to make a donation to St. Jude, and hoping to avoid spending money on legal fees, Lanier said he offered St. Jude $25,000 to settle the matter. The offer was rejected, according to Lanier and his attorney, and St. Jude instead pursued the matter in a years long court fight. St. Jude argued that the elder Lanier, through his will, “clearly directed the sale” of the property and that $100,000 of the proceeds should go to the hospital.

A trial court ruled in favor of Vance Lanier. St. Jude appealed that ruling but eventually lost. The charity then asked the state Supreme Court to reverse that ruling, but the request was denied, ending the matter.

Lanier said the legal dispute was expensive for both sides. He spent $50,000 in lawyer fees. Even if St. Jude had won the case, he said, much of the money it would have received from the elder Lanier’s estate would have been wiped out by legal costs. St. Jude did not respond to questions about how much it paid its lawyers.

Lanier said he wrote to the chief executive of St. Jude complaining that the legal fight was a waste of time and the charity’s resources.

Before the estate dispute, Lanier said he and other members of his extended family were supporters of St. Jude and had collectively donated thousands of dollars to the Memphis hospital. That is no longer the case, he said.

The nonprofit even courts those who aid in estate planning and drawing up wills, sponsoring conferences where attorneys, financial advisers and estate professionals gather.


This is a well researched article. I can't slam what they do for children, and I know that care needs to be paid for somehow, but they have billion$ in investment assets, and can operate free and clear without trying to cheat heirs out of their inheritance.

But they don't. Too bad.

*tl;dr, wall of words, etc...

To make amends for the length of my post, I offer you: cool cars and hot girls as my apology:




















Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:56 pm to
How is that just not criminal? Thanks for the pics
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:57 pm to
There's probably a couple of those pics I might delete, my man.
Posted by Breauxsif
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:58 pm to


Need a name.
Posted by AbitaFan08
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:04 pm to
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Damming report


Yeah I’ve got a question. Where’s the dam bait?!
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:10 pm to
Zero surprise
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:11 pm to
Liar.


I don’t see any cars.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:11 pm to
Everything is so fricked these days. fricking St. Jude POS.
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:15 pm to
My brother in law won the house last year LINK but he could afford the taxes and I don't think he has had any issues.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:15 pm to
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Everything is so fricked these days.

I'd feel pretty safe in making a sizable wager that this has been St. Jude's MO for decades.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
My mom used to see people in 80s who thought they were giving their estate to jimmy swaggert when they died only to find out he didn’t have to wait until they died. They would take everything and move them into the street. Some great Christians
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:18 pm to


Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:19 pm to
This is actually a bummer because the two charities I always heard through the years that aren't corrupt are St. Jude's and Doctors Without Borders. Guess I have to cross one off the list.
Posted by jcaz
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:20 pm to
Yikes. So there’s no way to secure funding for something like this? Seems like an easy way for a lender to make a quick buck.
Get a loan for the 200k in taxes, sell house for 500k, 300k profit.
Posted by Lynyrd
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:20 pm to
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There's probably a couple of those pics I might delete, my man.

Nah. He's good.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:24 pm to
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brother in law won the house last year LINK but he could afford the taxes and I don't think he has had any issues.


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Win a $650k house? You better be in a position to fork over $200k


Would it really be 200k? And is it only 10 days? Can you not take out a mortgage on the house for the amount of the taxes? I wouldn't doubt that there would be some shady shite with this, but after a few bad incidents, it seems like this would have some work around developed. The person that can come up with 200k in 10 days can likely afford a 650k home to begin with, with 20% down at least.
Posted by Spankum
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:26 pm to
I would imagine it is an IRS rule that requires they pay taxes immediately. If that is in fact the case,, what would you have St. Jude’s do? Who else should put up all of that money, but the person who has to pay it?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53508 posts
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:28 pm to
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Yikes. So there’s no way to secure funding for something like this? Seems like an easy way for a lender to make a quick buck.
Get a loan for the 200k in taxes, sell house for 500k, 300k profit.

I've taken to researching small and/or family operated charities to donate to. Personally, most of those i have chosen are involved with storm recovery efforts because that's just what has pulled at my heart strings the most.

There are several worthy charities out there who will be there on day one when the news crews are in town and they'll be there a year later when everyone but those impacted have moved on.

Those type charities usually have a vested interest in the communities they help that serves to keep them honest. There are also fewer hands in the pot.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17440 posts
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:28 pm to
It doesn’t surprise me about St Jude. You should have seen what they did to their employees about the vaxx.

And who is #2 in the pics. Dear Lord she is hot!
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53508 posts
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

I would imagine it is an IRS rule that requires they pay taxes immediately. If that is in fact the case,, what would you have St. Jude’s do? Who else should put up all of that money, but the person who has to pay it?

The house raffle is nowhere near the worst of what the OP posted.
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