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Brief filed by FOP: Cops should be judged differently from civilians in use of force.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:51 pm
AL.com
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The National Fraternal Order of Police in December filed an amicus brief on behalf of William Ben Darby, the former Huntsville officer, arguing his conviction last summer should be overturned. Darby is currently serving a 25-year sentence for murder.
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In the 32-page brief to the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals, the FOP argues that the trial court in Darby’s case should have instructed the jury to decide the case from the perspective of a reasonable police officer making split second decisions, a standard applied to on-duty officers when deciding civil cases.
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On the afternoon of April 3, 2018, Parker called police to report that he was feeling suicidal. When the first two officers arrived at Parker’s west Huntsville home, they found him sitting on a couch and holding what later turned out to be a flare gun to his own head.
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Body camera footage showed Darby, the third officer to arrive on the scene, move past the two senior officers and shoot Parker in the face with a shotgun 11 seconds after entering the home. Before firing, Darby shouted four times for Parker to put down his gun.
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The FOP argues that Pate should have given the jury instructions based on Supreme Court rulings in two key cases, Graham v. Connor and Tennessee v. Garner, which established what’s known as the “reasonableness” standard for judging use of force by police in civil cases. James acknowledged that those two Supreme Court cases deal with civil liability, rather than criminal prosecutions. But he wrote that juries in criminal trials should also decide cases based on the “reasonableness” standard.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:54 pm to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Why didn’t you bold this part?
Before firing, Darby shouted four times for Parker to put down his gun.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:56 pm to ell_13
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Why didn’t you bold this part?
Because he was holding a flare gun to his own head...
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:56 pm to ell_13
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Why didn’t you bold this part?
Disobeying verbal commands isn't sufficient to justify lethal force.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:56 pm to ell_13
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Why didn’t you bold this part?
Well, I could just re-hash the entire story. But to sum up: Parker had the gun pointed to his head. The first officers on scene reported they were talking Parker down from killing himself. Darby rushed in and shot Parker in the face within 11 seconds.
The jury saw the body cam and convicted him of murder.
Edit: And to add insult to injury, when Huntsville found out that a cop had committed a possible murder, they circled the wagons and tried to scapegoat the first officers on scene who were responding to a suicide crisis.
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
This is a tricky one.
He probably shouldn't have gone ahead of the other two officers, but 25 years for shooting a guy who was holding a gun to his head also seems a bit much. I don't know how to feel about this one.
He probably shouldn't have gone ahead of the other two officers, but 25 years for shooting a guy who was holding a gun to his head also seems a bit much. I don't know how to feel about this one.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:58 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Are we commenting on that particular case (which was fricked up) or the concept that officers should be judged differently?
Because they should. Citizens have the option to say "frick this, looks dangerous and I am not getting involved". I don't want cops doing that when things get bad. So they should be judged differently. They should get some leeway when it comes to situations that involve deadly force. Not saying they get a pass on murders but they should be considered differently.
Because they should. Citizens have the option to say "frick this, looks dangerous and I am not getting involved". I don't want cops doing that when things get bad. So they should be judged differently. They should get some leeway when it comes to situations that involve deadly force. Not saying they get a pass on murders but they should be considered differently.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 12:59 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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William Ben Darby
What a shitbag, gives the good cops a bad rep.
25 years isnt enough.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:01 pm to ell_13
This cop basically went Leroy Jenkins on the guy. He shouted put down the gun four times in eleven seconds to a suicidal man. If I was in that situation and in that state of mind, I don't think I could physiologically comply to that demand.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:03 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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On the afternoon of April 3, 2018, Parker called police to report that he was feeling suicidal.
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Body camera footage showed Darby, the third officer to arrive on the scene, move past the two senior officers and shoot Parker in the face with a shotgun 11 seconds after entering the home.
I mean, he did stop the guy from committing suicide.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:30 pm to ell_13
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Why didn’t you bold this part?
why does it matter
so hold up....anyone supporting this cop.....your solution for someone calling the cops saying they feel suicidal is to have the cops show up and kill them?
in what fricking world does that make sense?
thats like the defense for waco....atf had to save the children from the sexual abuse(was BS).....so they showed up and burned them alive......you know cause think of the children.
some people will do anything to back the blue.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:32 pm to jbgleason
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They should get some leeway when it comes to situations that involve deadly force.
But too much leeway can be abused. Perhaps if were truly a “split second” decision, like a spontaneous shootout in the street, yes, the cop should be granted some sort of leeway for attempting to make sense of a chaotic situation.
In this case, with 2 officers in the scene already and no reason to escalate the situation by charging in with a shotgun, this shouldn’t be considered a “split second” situation. Even if Darby thought Parker was beginning to shift the gun from pointing at his head to pointing it at the officers, Darby escalated the situation by charging in and making it worse.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:34 pm to Huey Lewis
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Disobeying verbal commands isn't sufficient to justify lethal force.
The Back the Blue crowd disagrees.
"Comply or die" is their creed.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:40 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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arrive on the scene, move past the two senior officers and shoot Parker in the face with a shotgun 11 seconds after entering the home
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:40 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I just can't defend the officer in this case. He showed up on scene, pushed past two officers already engaged with the subject, and a few seconds later shot the guy in the face with a shotgun despite the fact that the guy was only threatening to harm himself.
That officer attempted in no way to de-escalate the situation, and he effectively disrupted every bit of de-escalation efforts the other officers had attempted. He likely ignored every bit of his training for such situations and ignored all protocols that were in place.
Let him suffer in prison. I'm good with it.
That officer attempted in no way to de-escalate the situation, and he effectively disrupted every bit of de-escalation efforts the other officers had attempted. He likely ignored every bit of his training for such situations and ignored all protocols that were in place.
Let him suffer in prison. I'm good with it.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:43 pm to beauchristopher
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, but 25 years for shooting a guy who was holding a gun to his head also seems a bit much. I don't know how to feel about this one.
...why would anyone shoot a guy that is pointing a gun at his own head in the first place? that seems like a bit much.
its a pretty reasonable and easy conviction to make. play stupid games... dont feel bad about this one bit.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:51 pm to UndercoverBryologist
If anything, I’d argue they should be held to a higher standard than a civilian because they’re supposed to receive extensive training on how to handle use of force.
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