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re: Bree Newsome climbs flag pole to remove Confederate Flag from SC Statehouse
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:15 pm to weagle99
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:15 pm to weagle99
There was an already scheduled pro flag rally there this afternoon. SCV already made a statement about the flag, and I don't think they're going to say anything else about it.
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:16 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Stumbled across photos/video of this. Really lively crowd
There was an already scheduled pro flag rally there this afternoon.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:29 pm to GetCocky11
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SCV already made a statement about the flag, and I don't think they're going to say anything else about it.
They were quiet over the weekend out of respect for the dead but are planning to resume activism this Monday I believe.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:32 pm to weagle99
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SCV FB page is blowing up over this. I expect they will have people there watching the pole tomorrow, if not sooner.
I think that's awesome. Hell, I'd do it in a heartbeat if I lived in SC. People really don't understand what that flag means to the people who love it. (Hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with slavery or racism)
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:40 pm to weagle99
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SCV FB page is blowing up over this. I expect they will have people there watching the pole tomorrow, if not sooner.
When is the book and movie coming out?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:53 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I was curious if you were stuck carrying this crappy pager too!
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:54 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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People really don't understand what that flag means to the people who love it. (Hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with slavery or racism)
and here we go.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:58 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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I think that's awesome. Hell, I'd do it in a heartbeat if I lived in SC. People really don't understand what that flag means to the people who love it. (Hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with slavery or racism)
So there was a non racist reason for SC to vote to fly the flag in 1961 in response to desegregation? Tell us more.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:05 pm to tigerpimpbot
Some of you are like trained seals.
2 weeks ago most of you gave almost no thought to the flag. Now you are convinced that anyone who doesn't want to burn it is a redneck racist.
2 weeks ago most of you gave almost no thought to the flag. Now you are convinced that anyone who doesn't want to burn it is a redneck racist.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:05 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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(Hint, it has absolutely nothing to do with slavery or racism)
Sorry, this is 100% bullshite.
If you read the southern secession declarations they contain statements about seceding to continue slavery and white supremacy.
If you read the speeches given by leaders in the secession movement and the south they all contain references to continuing slavery and white supremacy.
quote:
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition....The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split."
- Alexander Stephens, savannah georgia 1861
The Confederate battle flag was designed after the outbreak of the war by William Porcher Miles, the mayor of Charleston, South Carolina, who aggressively supported slavery.
The confederate battle flag is a symbol of only three things:
1. treason
2. sedition
3. oppression of their fellow man
Fast forward 80 years later...
In 1948, Strom Thurmond's States' Rights Party adopted the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia as a symbol of defiance against the federal government.
> What required such defiance?
The president's power to enforce civil rights laws in the South.
The battle flag was a big middle finger to the federal government.
Georgia adopted its version of the flag design in 1956 to protest the Supreme Court's ruling against segregated schools, in Brown v. Board of Education.
The flag first flew over the state capitol in South Carolina in 1962, a year after George Wallace raised it over the grounds of the legislature in Alabama, quite specifically to link more aggressive efforts to integrate the South with the trigger of secession 100 years before — namely, the storming of occupied Fort Sumter by federal troops.
Stop pretending it wasn't about slavery.
You are 100% wrong.
That is complete bullshite whitewashing of history and the facts that neo confederate apologists spew.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:07 pm to monsterballads
Truth
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:09 pm to monsterballads
Should we read the founding fathers words on the importance of religion to the US?
Perhaps Abe's own words about slavery at the start of the war?
Should we talk about the North throwing immigrants into battle because the Northern citizens didn't want to fight?
Of course, by even mentioning this I am a racist to your hashtag heroes.
You are so wrong on some basic facts (see my earlier response) I don't see how anyone could take you seriously.
Perhaps Abe's own words about slavery at the start of the war?
Should we talk about the North throwing immigrants into battle because the Northern citizens didn't want to fight?
Of course, by even mentioning this I am a racist to your hashtag heroes.
You are so wrong on some basic facts (see my earlier response) I don't see how anyone could take you seriously.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:09 pm to weagle99
quote:Hmm I'm just curious why so many people feel the need to defend the flag?
2 weeks ago most of you gave almost no thought to the flag. Now you are convinced that anyone who doesn't want to burn it is a redneck racist.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:10 pm to monsterballads
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The flag first flew over the state capitol in South Carolina in 1962,
1961
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:10 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:14 pm to JBeam
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Hmm I'm just curious why so many people feel the need to defend the flag?
Because some of us don't view it as an inherently evil symbol and respect the people who fought and lived under it in the 1860's.
Not everyone who supports the flag is a knuckledragging redneck racist. Of course, this generalization is happily tossed around by today's social warriors who are supposedly fighting against generalizations.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:15 pm to weagle99
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Should we read the founding fathers words on the importance of religion to the US?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:20 pm to weagle99
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Gov. George Wallace of Alabama is probably best known for his 1963 inaugural speech where he declared "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever." Several months later, Wallace stood in a doorway at the University of Alabama in opposition to federal efforts to integrate the school.
In 1968, Wallace ran for President on the American Independent Party ticket (he had run in 1964 on a pro-segregation platform within the Democratic primary). The American Independent Party platform expressed its explicit opposition to what it described as the "so-called Civil Rights Acts," pledging to make "our best efforts to restore to state governments those powers which rightfully belong to the respective states, and which have been illegally and unlawfully seized by the Federal Government."
In an interview for a PBS documentary, Wallace '68 staffer Tom Turnipseed explained that "race and being opposed to the civil rights movement and all it meant was the very heart and soul of the Wallace campaign. I mean, that's what it was all about." According to his 1998 Washington Post obituary, Wallace's campaign "vilified blacks."
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:23 pm to weagle99
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respect the people who fought and lived under it in the 1860's.
who seceded against the USA and fought against them. why is that respectful? they were fighting over slavery.
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Not everyone who supports the flag is a knuckledragging redneck racist
people that support the flag have a VERY misconstrued version of history, both in the 1860's and the middle of the 20th century when civil rights for blacks and women were gaining traction.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:25 pm to weagle99
quote:Not everyone. But a good number of the people who fly that flag are. So unfortunately you are guilty by association.
Not everyone who supports the flag is a knuckledragging redneck racist. Of course, this generalization is happily tossed around by today's social warriors who are supposedly fighting against generalizations.
Personally, I don't see why you feel the need to go overboard defending a country that was conquered over 150 years ago. Nevertheless, to each his/her own.
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