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re: Bree Newsome climbs flag pole to remove Confederate Flag from SC Statehouse
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:11 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:11 pm to Tuscaloosa
I drove by the large kidney dialysis center in Mansfield, La. today and thought about the fact that a disproportionate number of blacks have diabetes (hence, the resulting need for a large dialysis center in a small, predominantly black town).
Wouldn't it be nice if the diabetes issue received the type of action, concern and publicity as the f'in confederate flag?
An iconic moment?
Hardly.
If some wizard could zap away every confederate flag in the U.S. right now, black life would be exactly the same as it right now - too many with diabetes, too many in jail, too many involved in murder either as the perp or victim, etc.
Note: I don't give a shite about the confederate flag.
Wouldn't it be nice if the diabetes issue received the type of action, concern and publicity as the f'in confederate flag?
An iconic moment?
Hardly.
If some wizard could zap away every confederate flag in the U.S. right now, black life would be exactly the same as it right now - too many with diabetes, too many in jail, too many involved in murder either as the perp or victim, etc.
Note: I don't give a shite about the confederate flag.
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:12 pm to crankbait
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And she's wearing a harness while trying to make her brave statement? pussy
That was my first thought. These Millennials and their pussy safety gear. A helmet? Really? You think Jerry Rubin would have climbed a flagpole with a helmet back in the Sixties? I'm shocked she didn't take a selfie when she got to the top.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:13 pm to stout
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To be fair, a lot of them are only upset because the media is telling them to be upset.
I agree. That doesn't mean attention to that symbol isn't warranted, though. I happen to agree with Bree and the others who are offended by the presence of the flag. And hell, I'm a white southerner.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:13 pm to TxTiger82
the problem is being able to point blame at anyone involved in a marginalized culture
you can't blame the 18 year old who rejected education and committed crimes and is now in jail b/c his mother raised him to be ignorant. you can't blame the mother b/c she got pregnant ant 16 just like her mother, and her mother instilled this bankrupt culture (while her father wasn't there). etc
that's sadly all too typical, but it's a constantly moving target when you discuss the root problems. at some point, there is a person within that culture to blame (or the culture itself). the issue is that since it's "marginalized", the Big Left is programmed to defend and deflect
you can't blame the 18 year old who rejected education and committed crimes and is now in jail b/c his mother raised him to be ignorant. you can't blame the mother b/c she got pregnant ant 16 just like her mother, and her mother instilled this bankrupt culture (while her father wasn't there). etc
that's sadly all too typical, but it's a constantly moving target when you discuss the root problems. at some point, there is a person within that culture to blame (or the culture itself). the issue is that since it's "marginalized", the Big Left is programmed to defend and deflect
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:14 pm to TxTiger82
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quote: Both MLK and Ghandi were criminals, by your definition. Both spent some time in jail for civil disobedience.
Jesus Christ too.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:14 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
I happen to agree with Bree and the others who are offended by the presence of the flag.
being offended at words or flags is a sign of weakness, but the Big Left has warped that into a strength
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:14 pm to TxTiger82
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But I'm not sure any of that has undone the socio-economic marginalization the typical black person still experiences in this country.
Why not? There are plenty of successful black people that aren't hindered by their race because they are respectable, work hard, and/or went to school.
The ones that are "marginalized" are that way because they have of their families have done nothing to improve their situations even though they are given a lot of opportunities to do so. It's a culture problem that has nothing to do with white people oppressing them. Until they fix their own issues, it will be like a broken record and never change.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:15 pm to Tuscaloosa
You heard it here first
America is fricked
America is fricked
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:15 pm to TxTiger82
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Oooo, gonna disagree with you there.
How so?
I'm not saying if someone in a ghetto has a building fall on them they deserve it because they're a bad person...nothing like that.
What I mean is...if someone who is an adult (so not someone too young to be applicable here) and has the mindset that the man is keeping them down, and they leach off the government and have kids as their source of income, and do absolutely nothing ot make life for them or their family any better...typically the bad things in their life are deserved. Late on their rent, cable got shut off, car got impounded, things like that...are typically a direct result of them being just an incredibly shitty human being. Not bad luck.
And guess waht? I imagine you find faaaaaaar more of those shitty circustances happpening to the shitty welfare queens in the ghetto than you do to the black community in places that are actually making something of themselves and doing something with their life.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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Well that won't help race relations...rather than moving on and accepting history as the past they would rather dwell on it...they may be educated but that doesn't make them intelligent.
Agree.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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And guess waht? I imagine you find faaaaaaar more of those shitty circustances happpening to the shitty welfare queens in the ghetto than you do to the black community in places that are actually making something of themselves and doing something with their life.
same thing with trailer parks and suburbs
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:17 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Living in America doesn't mean everything is handed to you. You have to work for a good life
that's what 99% of shite can be boiled down to. The problem is that so many people think that they ARE supposed to be handed things, like bree here. How in the hell are white people oppressing her or keeping her down? For frick's sake the president of the nation and leader of the world is black, somehow he made things work. Oh right, becuase he's driven, ambitious, and willing to work for what he wants. While others, like bree, want to have a hashtag made about them.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:18 pm to LongueCarabine
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Wait, the KKK was on the bus with Rosa Parks too?
LC
Then it makes even less sense.
How would the KKK guarding the flag make it a non-hostle environment.
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This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:18 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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quote: There'll be major butthurt over this one. Especially when she's not released from jail and the flag is put back up. Ima laugh
She is already released on bond and free to leave the state. She will plea down.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is being able to point blame at anyone involved in a marginalized culture
you can't blame the 18 year old who rejected education and committed crimes and is now in jail b/c his mother raised him to be ignorant. you can't blame the mother b/c she got pregnant ant 16 just like her mother, and her mother instilled this bankrupt culture (while her father wasn't there). etc
Well it is a multi-level problem. There are individual and societal aspects to these kinds of issues.
Your point is well taken, though. Just because an individual faces societal barriers doesn't justify anti-social behavior.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can't blame the 18 year old who rejected education and committed crimes and is now in jail b/c his mother raised him to be ignorant.
eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:20 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say communism.
Public education is the first thing that comes to mind.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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being offended at words or flags is a sign of weakness
quote:
being offended at words or flags is a sign of weakness
This isn't PUA time, SFP. Who cares about my own personal weaknesses? I have plenty. You are not aware of most.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can't blame the 18 year old who rejected education and committed crimes and is now in jail b/c his mother raised him to be ignorant.
I disagree that you can't blame him. He is an adult and makes those choices regardless but I do agree it's a culture issue.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:21 pm to TxTiger82
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There are individual and societal aspects to these kinds of issues.
it's individuals and the culture they buy into. calling it "societal" is too much. society is not keeping them down. they are
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Just because an individual faces societal barriers doesn't justify anti-social behavior.
and that behavior is what keeps them down...at least from the middle class. that behavior is what destroys their schools, blights their neighborhoods, makes economic investment unfruitful, etc. that combines into a lack of economic opportunities and then all the shite that comes with that.
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