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re: Boy Attacked and killed by a pit bull

Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:55 pm to
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but my hometown has not by any means, become more safe

what is your home town? i'll see if i can find the #s
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:58 pm to
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It's never been a better time to live on this planet. You only believe this due to the fact that you hear of discreet murders in Maine. The news wishes to scare the shite out of you, just for the ratings.



Really?

Violent crime rises for second consecutive year

Is a new crime wave on the horizon?

Why The 'Real' Unemployment Rate Is Higher Than You Think

Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record

HHS: Record Number Of Americans On Welfare


Since Obama Took Office, the Federal Debt Has Increased by Almost 70 Percent
Posted by cooLStorybreaUx
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:58 pm to
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what is your home town? i'll see if i can find the #s


No offense, but no way in hell would I give my location to this crazy arse board.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:59 pm to
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I believe that due to the ignorance (and I don't mean that in a negative way) of the people doing the reporting, a lot of dogs get called pitbulls without that being the case.


Please not that I said bull terriers. I am fully aware that people mix up 3-4 breeds and lump them all as pit-bulls. But that doesn't change anything. You cannot, in good conscience, argue that these dogs don't kill a disproportionate number of people.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:59 pm to
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I believe that due to the ignorance (and I don't mean that in a negative way) of the people doing the reporting, a lot of dogs get called pitbulls without that being the case.


Please not that I said bull terriers. I am fully aware that people mix up 3-4 breeds and lump them all as pit-bulls. But that doesn't change anything. You cannot, in good conscience, argue that these dogs don't kill a disproportionate number of people.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:59 pm to
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No, it's a dog, and I know it's in its nature to snap and for it to be incredibly violent. It is simply irresponsible to leave a kid with a dog.


FIFY
Posted by Agforlife
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:00 pm to
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how many horses just attack people regardless of fence hopping frequency?




You have obviously not been around very many stud horses. They will defend themselves if they feel threatened, especially if they can't run away.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:01 pm to
I understand that but my reason for saying that is because due to the ignorance, it's dificult to get good data to make that statement.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:02 pm to
pitbull fights are nauseating.

"you don't see goats attacking kids"
"oh no, look at this goat killer, he killed a wolf when felt threatened!"
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:03 pm to
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FIFY


Yeah, because people are often viciously attacked by pugs.
Posted by fleaux
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:04 pm to
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I'll say that every dog has an animal instinct and the amount of "wild animal" that comes through in the dog's actions is based on a case by case basis.


I agree with this, but when my Shitzu bit me because I tried to get a chicken bone he found away from him, he ran away with his tail between his legs and didn't clamp the jaws of death onto my neck and squeeze until I was dead...... There's a big difference
Posted by Barf
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:05 pm to
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Already paid it. Long time ago. I have never seen a dog bite case argued as an attractive nuisance. But then again, I don't handle dog bites


Ok, I am skeptical. More skeptical than usual. Judging by the way you write and how you handle your emotions in a discussion, I find it extraordinarily hard to believe you made it through law school.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:05 pm to
darth even in your own links, you'll find what he's saying

quote:

After decades of a downward trend in crime, residents in some large U.S. cities wonder if a reversal is coming.

the article admits crime has been cratering for decades and this article may only apply to a select cities

quote:

A review of murder statistics in major U.S. cities so far this year shows an unclear picture.

this is buried in the soft middle of the article

quote:

While Baltimore and Houston appear to be experiencing a crime wave, comparable cities like Dallas and Los Angeles are trending in the opposite direction.

In short, it is too early to draw conclusions of a shift in the trend for violent crime.

this seems to fly in the face of: Is a new crime wave on the horizon? and supports the notion of media manipulation

in fact, the article answers that question

quote:

The bottom line, statisticians say, is that there is not enough data to conclude if a new crime wave is upon us, or if there is, what factors are behind it.

so no, we don't know if a new "crime wave" is on the horizon

and later we see a legit explanation for possible increases in a select few examples

quote:

One obvious difference between last year and this year is the tensions between police officers and certain communities.

The high-profile instances of police officers killing unarmed black men stirred outrage and protests.
Posted by cooLStorybreaUx
Member since Aug 2014
600 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:06 pm to
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what is your home town? i'll see if i can find the #s


Did some quick research, my city is well above the national avg in crime per capita since 2011. There aren't any years before then that even come close.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25090 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:07 pm to
I adopted a pit from the Jefferson Parish shelter. I chose her because there are basically only pits at the shelter. There wasn't any macho or protection reasons. But I've always thought pits that I'd met were sweet, affectionate dogs.

Nothing makes me angrier than people training their pits to be guard dogs. They can do a good job of it, but because many of these guard dogs are in residential areas, it makes attacks much more likely. Either quit being scared, move to a place you aren't afraid to live, or get an adt alarm.

I raised mine to be as friendly as possible. at 3 months, I'd take her to the French Quarter dog park regularly. At least once a week I'd walk her around Royal St in the afternoons. There were hundreds of random people petting her, and hundreds of random hands in her face. They only issue I have now, is that she isn't a cute puppy, but intimidating to a lot of people, and she didn't understand why everyone doesn't want to pet her anymore.

I made damn well sure that she never saw random people as a threat. Yes, I hated when she wanted to run up and play with a random crackhead. But better than her having remaining aggressive tendencies. I think anyone who has a dog larger than 40-50 lbs needs to do the same. Large dogs of any breed can be dangerous.

The reason why Golden Retrievers rarely attack is because look at who gets goldens. Families with kids that treat their dog as part of the family. Tie up a golden in the back yard all day and treat it as a guard dog, it will probably be vicious. Pits are stronger and more athletic than Goldens, so they can certainly do more damage. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think a golden can kill a kid.

Of course, whenever I hear of the pit attacks, I always question if it's actually a pit. There a dozens of terriers and bulldogs that have a block shaped head. 99.99% of the time a dog has a block head, the media will call it a pit bull. No DNA testing is done. Mutts will be called pits by the media, for the same reason Skip Bayless has a job. Controversy sells. And pits became controversial when they became dog fighters favorites during the 70s and 80s.


I think all dogs are dangerous if you don't know the proper way to raise one. Just because it's a family dog, doesn't mean you're raising it correctly. But poor upbringing isn't a big deal with lots of dogs. But for 50-60+ lbs dogs, it is. Eventually, it will attack a person or animal. Correct upbringing and socialization makes all the difference.





And for the hell of it, this is my bitch:



This is her with me at work. The next day, she was ran into a corner by an aggressive Chihuahua. Not because she is skittish at all. But because it raised her to fear aggression and to not retaliate. A timeout in a small dark room is a 10000x better punishment than hitting a dog. And it's much more effective.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:08 pm to
yeah, a bite from my French Bull Dog is far preferable to a bite from my GS
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465525 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:08 pm to
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my city is well above the national avg in crime per capita since 2011. There aren't any years before then that even come close.

that's not necessarily reliable

Baton Rouge and Nola are less violent now, but their rate hasn't fallen as much as a detroit or chicago, so they're more violent in terms of placement.

Doesn't mean that it's more violent today...it just means that it's less violent in other areas that used to be more violent.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:09 pm to
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I am fully aware that people mix up 3-4 breeds and lump them all as pit-bulls. But that doesn't change anything


Sweet baby jesus of Nazareth...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465525 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:10 pm to
one of my neighbors has a pitt and it's teh biggest pussy in the world. i think he's violent with it, too, and it's scared of him

i saw it loose last night and i'm quite sure it wanted to come inside my house, not to kill me, but to live with me
Posted by iAmBatman
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Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:11 pm to
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