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re: Aussie woman calls cops after hearing noise, Minn. police kill her Update:officer named
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:28 am to shel311
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:28 am to shel311
quote:Scruffy isn't making an assumption. It states that his camera was off. He should have been required to have it on.
you can make all the assumptions you want.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:29 am to shel311
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But it's not protocol
Yeah but we're all saying it should be.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:29 am to FLAK88
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I read on one news outlet that she investigated a disturbance in an alley. When doing so she brought a knife with her. She called the police and when they showed up she approached the car with the knife in her hand and the officer shot her...who know though...
link?
Shouldn't be too hard to backtrace unless you've read 100+ articles on this story.
ETA:
Everything that I've read said no weapon found at the scene. It's possible she had a cell phone, flashlight or key ring, if anything.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:30 am to Scruffy
quote:That's also a different statement than your previous statements.
He should have been required to have it on.
What he should have done and what he should have been trained on and required to do are 2 different things.
If you're talking about perfect world scenarios, I agree with you. But your initial comments didn't come off as such.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:31 am to Breesus
quote:Then some people need to state it more clearly.
Yeah but we're all saying it should be.
Saying, "The cop should be fired because he didn't have his cam on" is not the same as saying the policy should be to have it on when you respond to a call./
Those are 2 entirely different things, and it's causing confusion.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:32 am to NYNolaguy1
Seems about right for the level of policing we currently have in America.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:33 am to shel311
quote:I have been stating that it should be policy with the stipulation that to not act in such a way would be a fireable offense 100% of the time.
Saying, "The cop should be fired because he didn't have his cam on" is not the same as saying the policy should be to have it on when you respond to a call./
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:33 am to shel311
quote:
Those are 2 entirely different things, and it's causing confusion.
The only person confused is you, and it's because you're a functioning autistic retard.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:35 am to Scruffy
quote:You clarified at a later post, but this was an earlier post of yours in its entirety that does not jive with what you're saying now.
I have been stating that it should be policy with the stipulation that to not act in such a way would be a fireable offense 100% of the time.
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He should have turned it on.
According to the protocol, we don't know that the be so.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:35 am to Breesus
quote:Thanks for your contribution.
The only person confused is you, and it's because you're a functioning autistic retard.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:36 am to shel311
frick you
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:36 am to Breesus
Thanks for your follow up, I appreciate it.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:36 am to LSUTANGERINE
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If it were a black person that was shot everyone here would be saying "There must be more to the story" But she was white so they're ready to convict the cop without any more details
quote:
Nailed it.
Yep nailed it. It is 40 year old, attractive white women from Oz that commit the majority of crime in this country.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:39 am to GEAUXmedic
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I back the blue all the way, usually
Meh
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:39 am to shel311
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I just don't think you realized it was never on to begin with
Ultimately, that is the problem. They are often off at crucial times when they are supposed to be on.
As long as there is no punishment for shitting on policy, shitting on policy will continue.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:41 am to Hangit
quote:We don't know that happened in this instance, fwiw.
As long as there is no punishment for shitting on policy, shitting on policy will continue.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:41 am to Hangit
quote:
You do realize, the default is for them to be off, and the officer has to manually turn it on, right?
Yes. I believe that is also the same for his car, flashlight, and taser. He cannot use any of them if he does not turn them on.
They also carry handheld radios at all times out of the car, find it odd that you never hear of a incident where they were unable to contact the officer because he forgot to turn on his radio.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:52 am to shel311
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We don't know that happened in this instance, fwiw.
Correct, but we do know what didn't happen. Two LEO's, responding to a call, did not have their cameras turned on. We also know the reasons these cameras should be turned on. We know that if they are not turned on they do not work. I am about to throw you a bone here that will help clear all this up.
Many times what people say, and omit from saying is important. I will get to that in a minute. Dash cams point straight in front of the car. She was at the drivers side, conversing with the driver, per the OP.
In the press conference, they said their is no video of the event. Their omission is that they did not say there is no audio of the event. Dash cams also have audio. This is a common stall tactic to buy time.
I bet audio exists and since nobody asked if it did, they conveniently forgot to volunteer that info.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:56 am to EA6B
They also carry handheld radios at all times out of the car, find it odd that you never hear of a incident where they were unable to contact the officer because he forgot to turn on his radio.
Happens every day. I bet I will get out of the car tonight and forget to turn my portable on. Our dispatchers hit the alert tone every night trying to raise deputies who either can't hear because of background noise or forget to turn on the portable.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:58 am to Breesus
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The officers’ body cameras were not turned on at the time and the squad camera did not capture the incident.
quote:The squad camera faces forward - you've seen traffic stop videos, do they ever show inside the car?
This is the kind of shite that makes people hate police.
Body cameras aren't/don't turn on until they leave the vehicle (depending on the system used). So there wouldn't normally be any video of the cops sitting in the car - who wants hours of video of two guys bitching about their impending divorces and comparing farts?
quote:Unless this is truly a world class moron cop that would make Rod Farva look like a genius, then I have zero doubt that there is significantly more to the story.
There has to be more to that story.
And not to victim blame here, but why was she outside anyway? If I call the cops about something suspicious in a dark back alley, I'm not going to run up to the cop car when they first drive up. I know that they're responding to a call, adrenaline pumping, with guns, and that they ALWAYS want civilians out of the way. How does someone not know to stay inside until they ask you to come out?
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