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re: Aussie woman calls cops after hearing noise, Minn. police kill her Update:officer named

Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:47 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:47 pm to
Because it's not even an excuse. It's almost worse than if he meant to to it.

That would be some serious negligence with a side of massive frick up. So many things wrong with it.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35783 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:11 pm to
The fact that he apparently shot this woman through the door, so in no danger whatsoever because he was in the car and she was out of it, is just batshit crazyiness.
Posted by St James Infirmary
too far from Storyville
Member since Apr 2015
145 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:30 pm to
The Daily Mail link says that Noor shot her "multiple times" from the passenger seat.

I guess that rules out accidental discharge.
Posted by ChiSaint
Silicon Valley, CA
Member since Feb 2008
374 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:35 pm to
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WTF is the point of body cams if it's policy to have them on but nothing really bad happens to the cops if they aren't?


My solution would be to pass an evidence rule in civil cases involving officer shootings or other cases of improper use of force that there is a rebuttable presumption that the police acted negligently in any such incident if the bodycam was not on.

If you shift the burden of proof onto the police (likely resulting in way more substantial awards/settlements), I can guarantee you the department does what is necessary to ensure that those body cameras are on at all times.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:51 pm to
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The Daily Mail link says that Noor shot her "multiple times" from the passenger seat.


Totally missed that. Thats a massive oopsies.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:53 pm to
quote:

My solution would be to pass an evidence rule in civil cases involving officer shootings or other cases of improper use of force that there is a rebuttable presumption that the police acted negligently in any such incident if the bodycam was not on.

If you shift the burden of proof onto the police (likely resulting in way more substantial awards/settlements), I can guarantee you the department does what is necessary to ensure that those body cameras are on at all times.


This would be massively pushed back by every DA association, sheriff association, police union, and PBA across your state.

It'd also probably work.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120046 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:16 pm to
I haven't read the whole thread, but was him being Muslim relevant to the story?

Did the cop see something that wasn't there? This is a bad situation. Unfortunately, when people carry guns, there is a chance that there will be times when they are misused (I am not saying that as if I want people to stop carrying gun or whatever, I am just saying. It's like anything else. If you ride in a vehicle, you have a chance to get in a fatal accident, it's just a fact).
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:43 pm to
2 days later and he's lawyered up. This gonna be bad for him.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
38924 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:46 pm to
Really? The fact he retained counsel after an incident that will no doubt end in civil litigation sways you one way or the other? So if you get sued, even for the most frivolous reason, you're going to represent yourself? And if you do use an attorney we should just assume you are indeed liable?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

but was him being Muslim relevant to the story?


Sure. Minneapolis has a relatively high Somali population and he was among the first to become a muslim officer from that population.

You shouldnt, however, take that to believe his race/religion had anything to do with what happened. Thats not the story here.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68561 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:29 pm to
This dude is probably ISIS
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8454 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:37 pm to
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NYNolaguy1


lol.....ok
Posted by UptownnMike
Uptown New Orleans
Member since Aug 2015
4124 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:55 pm to
Proof that anybody is allowed to be a damn cop. What kind of background check and training do you have to get to be a cop now a days. It's all scary trigger happy people who have probably never shot or a handled a gun before becoming a cop. First Castille now this. Come on Minnesota.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:04 am
Posted by xxGEAUXxx
minneapolis
Member since Dec 2012
1307 posts
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:59 pm to
He was mad she wasn't wearing her hijab. Sad situation. Looks and sounds like he got trigger happy.
Now if he fricked up and gets convicted. The libs will have a field day.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:01 am
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25094 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:02 am to
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Proof that anybody is allowed to be damn cop.


That's actually not true. The Supreme Court ruled years ago, that police departments are allowed to discriminate against smart people.

Supreme Court OKs barring high IQ for Cops

I wish that was a joke. But if you're too smart, you probably aren't allowed to be a cop.

frickin' 'Merica
Posted by UptownnMike
Uptown New Orleans
Member since Aug 2015
4124 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:03 am to
Wow
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25094 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:10 am to
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Wow


Yep. You'd think they'd fast track them to be a detective. But nope. The cultural war on intelligence and knowledge is real in this country, instead of celebrated like it should be.





For those too lazy to click on my link....

quote:

A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.


quote:

“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”

He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.

Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.

Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.


quote:

But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.

Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.



Absolutely pathetic. You better not discriminate against someone because of their race, physical handicap, age, gender, or sexual orientation. But if they're smart... frick'em. Discriminate all you want.
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30190 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:45 am to
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If I call the cops, I'm not walking up to their window. I'll wait for them to get out the car.

Somebody correct me if I'm egregiously wrong here... but this is how I'd imagine the 911 call:

Victim: I think there's somebody I don't know in my house.

911: Can you see the intruder from where you are? ...tell what room he's in? ...proximity?

Victim: No... I just heard a noise like something fell over. I think the person is in the basement/on the other side of the house/in the garage or whatever...

911: OK. The Police are on the way. Are you somewhere secure in your house you can hide? ...near an exit? ...have neighbors are typically awake at this hour that you could reach easier than a hiding place?

Pretty sure that this is where the 911 operator would ask the caller for a brief description like color of hair and what they are wearing and if she's inside or outside so they could advise the responding officers...


A blonde woman in blue pyjamas is NOT blue jeans, white Tshirt and a dark baseball cap.

If I tell 911 I'm a white female with long brown hair in a ponytail and I'm wearing a yellow tank top and minions pj pants... I'd likely assume that going towards the police would be alright for me.
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7666 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:58 am to
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haven't read the whole thread, but was him being Muslim relevant to the story?


I haven't heard a connection yet but he was a Somali and I fear this may be another Ft. Hood type domestic terrorism incident.
We'll see !
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19811 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 6:24 am to
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Now if he fricked up and gets convicted. The libs will have a field day.


My first thought too. Once again they are going to blame the white man for this.
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