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Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:34 pm to roadGator
They've been pretty smart about keeping most dental,insurance companies at bay. 
They also abhor overhead and technolgy to ridiculous degrees.
"By God, I'm gonna clear 300 on this 1M gross not matter what!"
They also abhor overhead and technolgy to ridiculous degrees.
"By God, I'm gonna clear 300 on this 1M gross not matter what!"
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:39 pm to N2cars
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Are dentists real doctors?
No, not medical doctors.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:40 pm to N2cars
It depends on the region and state. In NC, dentists have absolutely kept insurance companies at bay. In FL, not so much. It's funny, I have several dentist friends and they all whine when the economy is down right after they purchase a $1M piece of equipment so they can keep the lab fees in house.
The day is coming when consumers/patients will have access to fee data and quality data that will help them make informed decisions about who gets the privilege of providing their care. Dentists have forgotten who pays for their condos and vacations (not all of them of course). I have a feeling that I would hire one of the dentists in this thread and the other would try to do all four quads of 4341 in one visit in 10 minutes.
The day is coming when consumers/patients will have access to fee data and quality data that will help them make informed decisions about who gets the privilege of providing their care. Dentists have forgotten who pays for their condos and vacations (not all of them of course). I have a feeling that I would hire one of the dentists in this thread and the other would try to do all four quads of 4341 in one visit in 10 minutes.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:50 pm to roadGator
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one of the dentists in this thread and the other would try to do all four quads of 4341 in one visit in 10 minutes.
I'm not even a dentite and I'd knock that down in 5.
Still schedule you for 10, though.
Gotta have some time read/post on TD
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:53 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Gotta have some time read/post on TD
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:56 pm to sassyLSU
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and neither is a podiatrist
Oh shite. Now you have done it!
I kind of agree here too. If you can not even do your own H&P before surgery you are not a real doctor. Plus, they did not go to med school either.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:57 pm to Berry McCaulkiner
Your an anti dentite
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:03 pm to Berry McCaulkiner
They can prescribe drugs so yes. Yes they are.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:22 pm to roadGator
There in no doubt that fraud is rampant. And I've posted about it on numerous occasions here. I can count on one hand the number of dentists in my graduating class that I would trust to treat my family. They literally held class meeting to devise cheating schemes. I was the dentist who would tell you that you really needed one filling when you walked into my office with a treatment plan for 10 fillings from the guy down the street. My conscience prevented me from making "real" money.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:28 pm to 911Moto
My dentist was like you. He had a modest office and made a good living. He never tried to cheat or steal. I'm sure he retired a very happy man with nothing to feel guilty about.
This will all stop when a lawyer figures out how to put together a class action lawsuit together. If the money was larger lawyers would be all over it.
This will all stop when a lawyer figures out how to put together a class action lawsuit together. If the money was larger lawyers would be all over it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:59 pm to roadGator
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It depends on the region and state. In NC, dentists have absolutely kept insurance companies at bay. In FL, not so much. It's funny, I have several dentist friends and they all whine when the economy is down right after they purchase a $1M piece of equipment so they can keep the lab fees in house.
Florida, being a resort state, keeps a tight control over how many dentists practice in their state. You would think that they would have more sway with the insurance companies.
What piece of equipment can dentists buy for $1M that will let them keep the lab fees in house? A bit of hyperbole in that statement, the leading system in that market is $140K, not one million and that would leave $860K for buying that sweet vacation house in paradise.
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The day is coming when consumers/patients will have access to fee data and quality data that will help them make informed decisions about who gets the privilege of providing their care. Dentists have forgotten who pays for their condos and vacations (not all of them of course). I have a feeling that I would hire one of the dentists in this thread and the other would try to do all four quads of 4341 in one visit in 10 minutes.
Fee data is out there free for whomever wants it and I have no problems with that. You just have to look in the right places. IDK if it is feasible to do cost quality comparisons though since we don't practice in a hospital setting and we tend to own our facility.
In regards to the four quads of 4341 in ten minutes, that is a complete joke. It would take that long for anesthesia alone. With the attitude you present, I bet most dentists would forgo administering local anesthetic just for you and discount your procedure to make you happy. Oh, and if you don't want 4341, how about brush and floss daily, it's a whole lot cheaper than non surgical perio treatment.
You never did say what you do for a living and who is responsible for paying for your vacations.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:01 pm to roadGator
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roadGator
Were you working today? What hours did you work?
Just curious.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:17 pm to Berry McCaulkiner
They are..
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:17 pm to ruzil
I don't need and probably will never need 4341, goof ball.
I'll ask him why he said he paid $1M. Remember, he's a pain the arse, arrogant dentist so I don't give him my full attention very often. To top it off, he's Canadian. That accent kills me.
He does whine a lot so I tend to tune him out. $1600 for 2750 isn't enough according to him. Got to pay for that shiny new toy he got suckered into buying.
When I bother to ask you your hours, I may feel obligated to answer your questions. I'm not interested in the number of hours or days you work, your work address or your specialty if you have one.
I'll ask him why he said he paid $1M. Remember, he's a pain the arse, arrogant dentist so I don't give him my full attention very often. To top it off, he's Canadian. That accent kills me.
He does whine a lot so I tend to tune him out. $1600 for 2750 isn't enough according to him. Got to pay for that shiny new toy he got suckered into buying.
When I bother to ask you your hours, I may feel obligated to answer your questions. I'm not interested in the number of hours or days you work, your work address or your specialty if you have one.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:38 pm to Layabout
many oral surgery programs are 6 years after dental school and graduates get an MD degree. Dentists graduate with a DDS or DMD degree, but are not physicians
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:40 pm to ctiger69
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This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:42 pm to roadGator
anyone have some floss?Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:48 pm to roadGator
Look, if a dentist charges 1600 for a crown, I don't have a problem with it as long as it looks like a 1600 crown. He charges what he does because his patients will pay him his fee. It's not based on anything other than that if he is fee for service.
I practice 4.5 days a week, because I don't like to be rushed and my girls need their hours. I could probably do the same production in 3 days but guys like you would never darken the door of my office and I know that.
I don't have a vacation home, partly because I value sending my kids to the best school in my area. I easily have dropped $300K after taxes on their education over the last 15 years. Much more value there than some beach house I would rarely use.
So, what do you do for a living and did you work today and what hours. Thanks for your answers.
I practice 4.5 days a week, because I don't like to be rushed and my girls need their hours. I could probably do the same production in 3 days but guys like you would never darken the door of my office and I know that.
I don't have a vacation home, partly because I value sending my kids to the best school in my area. I easily have dropped $300K after taxes on their education over the last 15 years. Much more value there than some beach house I would rarely use.
So, what do you do for a living and did you work today and what hours. Thanks for your answers.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:55 pm to ruzil
I don't answer or ask personal questions here.
Charge what you want for a crown. If the market will support $3000 crowns you guys are set. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm saying I won't pay that much and most of the public is too ignorant to know better. By ignorant, I mean they know less about their dental health and dentists than they know about their medical maladies.
That ignorance is good for you dentists. I do what I can to educate folks about dentists, fees, procedures and fraud. I have no idea why but folks trust dentists more than they do physicians and that just seems silly.
Charge what you want for a crown. If the market will support $3000 crowns you guys are set. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm saying I won't pay that much and most of the public is too ignorant to know better. By ignorant, I mean they know less about their dental health and dentists than they know about their medical maladies.
That ignorance is good for you dentists. I do what I can to educate folks about dentists, fees, procedures and fraud. I have no idea why but folks trust dentists more than they do physicians and that just seems silly.
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