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Are any of these luxury trucks upgrading the touch points?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:37 am
In some trucks you have wood and a leather wrapped dash that looks nice but you are still mostly touching the same plastic switches and handles found in the economy levels.
Auto reviewers have the attention spans of fruit flies and never seem to discuss this.
Auto reviewers have the attention spans of fruit flies and never seem to discuss this.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:39 am to weagle99
They do what is cheapest ultimately. I would say the Ram has the best interior right now.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:39 am to weagle99
Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want. Its very easy to do now, much cheaper than buying a loaded truck, and as you pointed out they all use the same base level interfaces across all the trims.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:40 am to weagle99
Doug Demuro always seems to point that stuff out.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:41 am to weagle99
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In some trucks you have wood and a leather wrapped dash that looks nice but you are still mostly touching the same plastic switches and handles found in the economy levels.
How fricking spoiled are Americans?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:41 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want. Its very easy to do now, much cheaper than buying a loaded truck, and as you pointed out they all use the same base level interfaces across all the trims.
Two reasons:
A. A lot of people buy what’s on the lot, and base trucks that happen to have what they want wont be there
2. It takes time to order a truck, many folks aren’t patient enough
III. The Joneses
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:42 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want.
I agree. To me, a truck is all about utility and I'm not too worried if it happens to pick up scratches or dents here and there. It comes with the territory.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:44 am to weagle99
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In some trucks you have wood and a leather wrapped dash that looks nice but you are still mostly touching the same plastic switches and handles found in the economy levels.
Auto reviewers have the attention spans of fruit flies and never seem to discuss this.
My 2015 F150 Platinum has significantly nicer knobs for the radio than other trim levels, and the leather is higher quality than lower trims. There is still a lot of plastic in the interior, but I don't mind that because I do use my truck for truck things occasionally and the plastic is easier to deal with.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:47 am to weagle99
Only thing I care about is leather seats. Other than that, I don't give a shite. I had a loaded out LTZ with sun roof, heated/cooled seats, etc. By the time it got totaled in a hail storm, the transmission had went out twice and half of the features didn't even work anymore. Maybe used the sun roof one time in the 4 years I had it.
The more the nicer features, the more there is to tear up.
The more the nicer features, the more there is to tear up.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:51 am to High C
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How fricking spoiled are Americans?
I totally see your point, but I think there is a bit more nuance here than just being spoiled. This coming from a person who really doesn't like cars at all. If I was single I wouldn't own one, we mostly have our vehicle for my wife's sake.
You pay for something and you expect the agreed upon service/good. If you're paying for a "luxury" truck and you're getting basic goods, it isn't about the fact that you have to touch plastic. It's about the fact that a vendor has exaggerated about the good they are providing. The same thing happens in "luxury" apartments with the faux-granite/marble and stainless steel appliances, all while there are gaps in the doors/windows and broken A/C.
It comes down to being okay with the mindset that your money is yours to spend. I think its wasteful to spend money on a yacht, but I don't call Bezos spoiled for doing so. He made the money, he gets to spend it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:52 am to kywildcatfanone
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I would say the Ram has the best interior right now.
It's very nice, but I think the latest 2022+ Denali interior is nicer. I prefer the Ram exterior styling to the GMC though.
BTW the existence of a Denali or King Ranch pickup conflicts with everything I want in that kind of vehicle - especially since most of those buyers don't do much with their trucks other than occasionally towing a boat or RV. A pickup should be utilitarian, not fancy. 40 years ago, the people driving these higher end pickups would have bought Cadillac Fleetwoods or Lincoln Continentals. That's basically what a modern day GMC Denali or Ram Laramie is today.
It's kind of crazy that these truck makers have to figure out a way to be profitable on a $30,000 base level work truck and still be able to convince people to buy one that costs $50,000 more than that. The range of options for those trucks are insane. The build combinations are endless when you consider interior options, bed/cab configurations, all the tech features, all the engine features (which include gas, diesel, hybrid, and soon EV).
Demand planning and Production planning at Ford and GM must be a fricking nightmare for their pickup truck businesses.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:53 am to weagle99
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luxury trucks
I think brodozer is the more widely accepted term.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:54 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want. Its very easy to do now, much cheaper than buying a loaded truck, and as you pointed out they all use the same base level interfaces across all the trims.
If I were to spec the one out that I want, it would probably be a 2wd 3/4 ton with a gas V8 motor, regular cab, and longer bed.
They don't build a lot of those anymore, at least not made to stock. They tend to go directly to fleets.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:56 am to weagle99
I have a nice truck and I think it’s the best of two worlds. It’s like combining a truck with a Mercedes
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:03 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want. Its very easy to do now,
I would agree with that somewhat in things like leather, running boards, rims, tires, bedliner, etc.
But you can't really do that these days and go from an 8" screen to a 12" screen, or add adaptive cruise, memory seats, blind spot monitoring and other stuff built in.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:12 am to dewster
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40 years ago, the people driving these higher end pickups would have bought Cadillac Fleetwoods or Lincoln Continentals.
So what happened? Why did that change?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:28 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Blows my mind that more people don't buy base trucks and add the few features they want.
Oh you mean like dash fur, chain steering wheels and curb feelers?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:41 am to SkintBack
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you can't really do that these days and go from an 8" screen to a 12" screen, or add adaptive cruise, memory seats, blind spot monitoring and other stuff built in.
Actually you can, and it usually isn't difficult or expensive.
The trucks are all using the same wiring harnesses, same body control modules, same dashboard frames, etc etc. They're made to be simple to do exactly that, so that different trims are largely just a different kit that gets layered on the base truck.
I totally understand not wanting to actually do any of that shite, but the point being you can easily save a ton of money by upfitting a base model truck with the features you want if you dont want everything that comes on higher trims.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:43 am to weagle99
I can't imagine complaining about having to touch plastic buttons on my $80k truck. 
Talk about 1st world problems.
Talk about 1st world problems.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:48 am to weagle99
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Auto reviewers have the attention spans of fruit flies and never seem to discuss this.
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How fricking spoiled are Americans?
Just remember, auto reviewers are exactly the automotive version of political reporters. They have to say and do stuff to get clicks, even if it makes no real sense.
This week I have a rented Infinit Q50. It's great for driving some mountain roads. I'm really enjoying it. I go to www. caranddriver.com to read a review as I would seriously consider this car soon. They trashed it.
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the 2022 Infiniti Q50 leaves a lot to be desired. With out-of-date interior styling ... Infiniti's entry-luxury car lacks the pizzazz of its contemporaries. ... While the Infiniti's potent powerplant makes it solid value play, even the sportiest model (the 400-hp Red Sport 400) doesn't come close to duplicating the driving verve found behind the wheel of an M340i or even a Genesis G70 Sport, ... Instead, the 2022 Q50 sedan is largely irrelevant to everyone except those loyal to Infiniti or buyers looking to graduate from the more humble Nissan Altima.
WTF??? Altima->>Q50 is not a logical progression, it's cross-shopped against midsize German cars. I don't see how the interior is out of date at all. Finally, how much "verve" do you need and wtf does that even mean? But they have to fill up 200 words of space to sell ads, and this is what they say.
Also it's amusing how Demuro doesn't age-adjust his scores. Like we're supposed to be surprised that something from 1998 or 2005 doesn't stand up to a 2022 model? Minus points because a 1995 doesn't have bluetooth?
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