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re: Appeals Court: Confederate monuments in NOLA to be removed.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Slap in the face of the unity of our nation. I take offense to that.
Once again you're missing the point about understanding historical context. "Our nation" wasn't the nation of 1860. The US didn't have as powerful a federal government as it does today. The states and local municipalities had much more autonomy than they do today. You're arguing for something because it offends you today without taking into account the context of history.
The South never felt that they were a part of the US. And they didn't want to destroy it. They wanted autonomy, they wanted to be left alone. That's literally what the US fought for against the British.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:19 pm
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:18 pm to GEAUXmedic
I'm sure this will fix everything and make all the racism go way immediately.. 
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Slap in the face of the unity of our nation. I take offense to that.
That's laughably irrational. And surprising since you usually aren't irrational.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:19 pm to lsufan112001
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I got a buddy who has a Platinum to pull my trailer. We are getting the statue and bringing it to Central.
Where y'all gonna put that bad boy next to Stab's or by the Dominoes?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:19 pm to rmnldr
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Where does it stop? Where does the removal of historical items stop?
I posted the proper context already. You say you don't want to engage in a logical fallacy, then do precisely that to make your point.
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Like having the economy of your state/region completely collapsed
And then you'll turn around and argue that "slavery was already on its way out anyways."
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someone in Washington D.C. forcing you to do something that you don't want to?
Correction: the PROSPECT of D.C. handing down legislation you don't like. Let's keep the historical accuracy here.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's laughably irrational.
Sorry I like my USA in one giant piece
Pretty rational.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:21 pm to SthGADawg
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I'm sure this will fix everything and make all the racism go way immediately..
They are getting rid of the statues, not white people.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:22 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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And then you'll turn around and argue that "slavery was already on its way out anyways."
I'm not defending the institution of slavery. I'm sympathizing with those who fought for the CSA. It's a big difference. I think that the war's outcome was righteous and beneficial.
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Correction: the PROSPECT of D.C. handing down legislation you don't like. Let's keep the historical accuracy here.
After decades of threats of it happening. It didn't happen overnight.
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You say you don't want to engage in a logical fallacy, then do precisely that to make your point.
Is it not valid to ask where the practice of erasing the presence of historical monuments and objects ends?
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Serious question: How do think I should feel about my fighting age male ancestors landing in port in New Orleans and being forced to fight for the Confederacy? They didn't know what they were fighting for, only that they would be killed if they didn't.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:24 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:Had I not seen your good nature in your other thread then I would've downvoted this comment. But, have an upvote good sir.quote:They are getting rid of the statues, not white people.
I'm sure this will fix everything and make all the racism go way immediately..
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:25 pm to rmnldr
quote:I know when and why Lee was put up, and I have no problem with it being removed because of it. I don't know when and why Lee was put up on display at West Point, so I have no opinion on the matter.
It's a valid question. Where does it stop? Where does the removal of historical items stop?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:26 pm to junkfunky
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Serious question: How do think I should feel about my fighting age male ancestors landing in port in New Orleans and being forced to fight for the Confederacy? They didn't know what they were fighting for, only that they would be killed if they didn't.
Just like the descendants of Union soldiers who were forced to continue fighting after their commitment was up or those who were drafted.
War sucks. People die. People are forced to do things that they don't want to do. There are no victors in war, only survivors.
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ballscaster
You're ignoring the premise of the question. What fundamental notion must be in place for a historical object to be removed?
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:26 pm to GEAUXmedic
So many "righteous" people in this thread who are racist towards white people. Typical hypocrisy.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:26 pm to junkfunky
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How do think I should feel about my fighting age male ancestors landing in port in New Orleans and being forced to fight for the Confederacy? They didn't know what they were fighting for, only that they would be killed if they didn't.
They did what they had to do.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:27 pm to lsuhunt555
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So many "righteous" people in this thread who are racist towards white people. Typical hypocrisy.
To whom are you referring?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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To whom are you referring?
as wellPosted on 3/7/17 at 1:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Sorry I like my USA in one giant piece
Pretty rational.
Those statues aren't dividing the USA. Speaking of logical fallacies.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:31 pm to ballscaster
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I know when and why Lee was put up, and I have no problem with it being removed because of it
Do go on.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:33 pm to rmnldr
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sympathizing with those who fought for the CSA
Their cause was unjust. Good people have fought for unjust causes throughout history, though. I'll readily cede that point
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I think that the war's outcome was righteous and beneficial.
Indeed. And in the spirit of such, I think it would behoove us to be loathe to place the cause of the vanquished on a pedestal. Again, I'm not advocating scorched-earth, remove any/all references everywhere and in every context.
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After decades of threats of it happening. It didn't happen overnight.
Wasn't saying it did. Apologies for implying such.
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Is it not valid to ask where the practice of erasing the presence of historical monuments and objects ends?
No, I'm just saying I've answered that question many times over itt, is all
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:34 pm to LNCHBOX
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Those statues aren't dividing the USA.
Never said they were
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