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re: All Star team fails because of Select aka Travel Baws

Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:18 pm to
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My son only played one sport until 7th grade. Doesn’t hurt to focus on one sport and compete at a high level. I think it was better preparation than being mediocre at 3 sports.
This will be a novel concept to most, but I doubt it makes a shite one way or the other. Most science and performance people will tell you that it is not wise to focus on one sport early...but again, they are probably full of shite too.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:18 pm to
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The families with means leave rec ball to focus on travel.


so economic staus makes the kid a better player?

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What's left in rec is then the poor kids, the single parent kids, the parents who can't be bothered to bring kids to practice,


some of the best athletes in my hs didn't play sports because they either had to have afternoon jobs and/or parents couldn't transport them due to work, my Dad had his own business and wasn't able to attend every game I played, didn't feel slighted by it
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:19 pm to
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my kids grew up in FL, travel ball teams were mostly social cliques from what I could see and there were usually about nine coaches for the boys, one for each position,
I would use the term 'hanging out with friends' versus social clique.

Hell, that is what it is, a social activity.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:19 pm to
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Your son is going to end up going to a state school and chasing pussy and drinking beer like 99% of kids


I sure hope so, I’ve saved money out of every paycheck since he was in pre-K 4 for that exact thing. MS State or Ole Miss...his choice.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:20 pm to
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so economic staus makes the kid a better player?



over time... possibly.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:20 pm to
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They play this weekend in the metro area, then a round robin with some teams from Texas next week then off to Atlanta for the Perfect Game WWBA's...they should end towards the end of July

He's going to be a senior and just turned 17..he technically is a 16 year old but he's playing up with the 17 and 18 year olds


sounds like he is at a very high level and its HS ball, that is way different than 90% of travel ball.

why are they travelling so much though? is is just what they decided cause 2d is hosting showcase tourneys all over the state pretty much daily.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:21 pm to
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dude you dont know what you are talking about. Yea IM sure Glenn C is saying....yea if you dont play for my travel ball team you cant play at barbe. A) glenn doesnt coach travel ball, B) do you really think the best HS coach in america gives two fricks where you played? he doesnt

guess what though, the best kids make the teams and magically the best kids seem to come from travel ball. Also happen to be the ones that are doign private lessons, doing S&C etc

Sam Houston is the same way, St Louis...the same.

so yes talent is talent, but the talent is playing high level travel ball. Sorry if you cant see that.

and when i say travel ball, i just mean USSSA, PG, 2d etc. I dont mean travelling all over the country. Most are not travelling more than 2-2.5 hours from home. Hell most arent travelling more than an hour for most of the tourneys.


And then they all end up at ULL as construction management majors either way
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:21 pm to
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I doubt it makes a shite one way or the other. Most science and performance people will tell you that it is not wise to focus on one sport early...but again, they are probably full of shite too.




yep, a natural athlete will excel at almost any sport, I played every sport I could while growing up, played three in hs, get out of a lot of practices that way
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:22 pm to
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so economic staus makes the kid a better player?
Nope, again, nothing about 'travel' indicates you are automatically a better player. There is some absolute shittastic baseball played in USSSA baseball tourneys in some of the lower divisions.

Hell, most of those kids dont 'travel' outside of a few parish area. You get better, you got to go a piece to find competition.

But I would say money just lets you have more options.
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some of the best athletes in my hs didn't play sports because they either had to have afternoon jobs and/or parents couldn't transport them due to work, my Dad had his own business and wasn't able to attend every game I played, didn't feel slighted by it

I guarantee the best baseball player in my kids age group has never picked up a ball yet, it is just odds. My kid has no concept of that, he has the entire starting line up planeed from 7th grade till he graduates HS.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:22 pm to
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over time... possibly.



see the thread about Dominican kids from last week
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:23 pm to
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Your son is going to end up going to a state school and chasing pussy and drinking beer like 99% of kids and resent you for making him play soccer 40 hours a week at 14 while other kids were having fun


bro no offense but I can tell you from expierence of someone that ended up at a state school and didnt play sports in college that you are wrong.

I wouldnt expect someone that never played to get it, but memeries are made that you will always cherish playing sports.

I didnt play on travel but loved all stars and fall ball. still remmeber those times very fondly and dont resent my dad one bit for getting me into it.

but you are 130lbs and never played so wouldnt expect you to understand.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:24 pm to
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see the thread about Dominican kids from last week


that's great but my answer is possibly.


The family who affords private lessons in the states and the family that can't afford private lessons or whatever else the other family has invested into their son's career... it possibly makes a talent advantage.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:25 pm to
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dude you dont know what you are talking about. Yea IM sure Glenn C is saying....yea if you dont play for my travel ball team you cant play at barbe. A) glenn doesnt coach travel ball, B) do you really think the best HS coach in america gives two fricks where you played? he doesnt



I can't speak about Barbe.

I know at several SELA schools, especially public schools, the coaches moonlight as travel ball coaches, and there is very much an expectation that you play on their teams if you want to play in HS.

I've seen kids who are hitting 500 in 2d tournaments not make a HS team because of this.

Seems like you have only experienced the positives of travel ball, and not the negatives. You are pretty naïve for sure.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:25 pm to
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why are they travelling so much though? is is just what they decided cause 2d is hosting showcase tourneys all over the state pretty much daily.



We only go/gone to Mobile, Pearl River, Baton Rouge, NOLA Metro, and Atlanta.....I guess they just want to mix it up. It's not that much travel...only 5 weekends...15-20 games..compared to the 50+ games they used to play when they were 6-12
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:26 pm to
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I didnt play on travel but loved all stars and fall ball
about 7 years ago every Tball all star team in the area started becoming a coach pitch travel squad next year. Then another after the first year of coach pitch. Until top 20 kids in our local Dixie were gone in a matter of two years. You take the 2 or three best players off of each team and 10 year old baseball is terrible.

I wish Dixie here would embrace travel and make a hybrid model that would allow kids to do both easier, hell, let the Dixie team sponsor the superior group for all I care.
Posted by Breauxsif
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:26 pm to
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And then they all end up at ULL as construction management majors either way

What is wrong with construction management?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:28 pm to
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so economic staus makes the kid a better player?


Economic status has caused the quality of coaching and play in rec ball to go WAY down, because the wealthier families don't want to play on the same team as poors.

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some of the best athletes in my hs didn't play sports because they either had to have afternoon jobs and/or parents couldn't transport them due to work, my Dad had his own business and wasn't able to attend every game I played, didn't feel slighted by it


Still true today.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:28 pm to
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The family who affords private lessons in the states and the family that can't afford private lessons or whatever else the other family has invested into their son's career... it possibly makes a talent advantage.

I dont agree with a lot, but if you have the money and time to invest in an activity, any activity, you are just going to be better. Period. Piano, horse back riding, baseball, golf, Algebra....you name it.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:28 pm to
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see the thread about Dominican kids from last week



yeah but those kids are freaks of nature...you cant put them in the conversation.

They were bred to play baseball like pitbulls were bred to kill
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:28 pm to
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bro no offense but I can tell you from expierence of someone that ended up at a state school and didnt play sports in college that you are wrong.

I wouldnt expect someone that never played to get it, but memeries are made that you will always cherish playing sports.

I didnt play on travel but loved all stars and fall ball. still remmeber those times very fondly and dont resent my dad one bit for getting me into it.

but you are 130lbs and never played so wouldnt expect you to understand.


I played all the travel ball shite before it was as serious as it is now. My last year of Rec I think was age 11. I started on my high school team for 3 years, made all district every year and all state my senior year. Had interest from a couple of schools to play in college.

But I also played basketball until high school, football through high school, played tennis for 2 or 3 years, soccer for a couple, etc.

But sure man, making your kids practice or play baseball 7 days a week is a great idea. 99.9% of kids with enough talent to play past high school are going to be obvious, but if you think making your kid hate a sport and spending God knows how much money so he can hit 260 on the high school team is worth it, knock yourself out.
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