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re: 150 plus armed militia takes over Oregon federal building (story developing)
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:08 pm to ihometiger
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:08 pm to ihometiger
They used women and children as human shields in the first standoff. Some members say they'll do it again if needed. The locals don't like these idiots either.
They aren't patriots, they're cowards.
They aren't patriots, they're cowards.
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Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:09 pm to ihometiger
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This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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We have armed thugs taking over a federally run building. But it's okay.
They're productive members of society in an unoccupied ranger station in the middle of the woods.
Tell me again how this is the same as looting and burning private property and disrupting productive citizens because some criminal got shot.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:11 pm to JumpingTheShark
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fricking bomb the place and let's move on.
As long as they use the same RoE they used aginst ISIS truck drivers.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:13 pm to GRTiger
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No, that doesn't seem right at all.
Is there an explanation of how that can even be possible? Are you saying that nothing else happened, and after serving the time they were sentenced to, and having not broken any terms, they are being told to go back to jail?
Seems like if it is as you say, they don't need 150 goobers occupying a refuge, they need a barely competent lawyer.
Apparently the original appeal (to force them to serve more time) was won after they had gotten out after serving the original sentence.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:14 pm to ihometiger
Very tricky situation for the feds. One wrong move and the media will be all over them.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:16 pm to Kingpenm3
I was nit aware that the government could appeal its own sentencing. That seems wrong.
Am I understanding right they they originally got LESS time than the minimum because they were charged as terrorists? That also seems weird to me.
Am I understanding right they they originally got LESS time than the minimum because they were charged as terrorists? That also seems weird to me.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:19 pm to JOHNN
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No they are protesting over two different things:
The first is the fact that the father and son have already served prison time and were released. Now a judge all of a sudden decided that they didnt spend enough time in jail so he ordered them to serve even more time.
The second is the fact that this family owned all of this federal land for generations but over time the area around their property became a preserve. The fed govt wanted the family land as well and after many years of refusing to sell, the govt just kept upping the fees for the grazing permits until they had to sell off multiple plots and now the family business has pretty much gone to nothing.
The father and son peacefully turned themselves in over the "arson" but its bullshite that this corrupt judge is putting them back in jail bc once they are jail the family cant use the farm as well to make money. Cant mKe money, cant pay the fees, must give up land...
I'd pump the breaks. The Bundy situation sounded at least partially sympathetic at first.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:19 pm to GRTiger
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t was federal land. Does anyone have the right to set fires on federal land without permission
Those ranchers have been there for generations and they've always managed the land. I am certain that these controlled burnings are part of the process. The BLM has been trying to drive the ranchers off the land for quite some time and have used some sorry assed tactics to do so.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:39 pm to bencoleman
Is it really controlled if 140 acres of land they didn't own got burned without authorization?
Are they saying that the government has taken land the family used to own, or did they just make previously unowned land around the family's a federal refuge?
I'm not making any sort of judgment on the case of the guys convicted of arson. I don't think this stunt is helpful to their case. They also are "occupying" a spot in the middle of nowhere, so I'm cool with it of that's their thing. Other groups could learn from this.
Are they saying that the government has taken land the family used to own, or did they just make previously unowned land around the family's a federal refuge?
I'm not making any sort of judgment on the case of the guys convicted of arson. I don't think this stunt is helpful to their case. They also are "occupying" a spot in the middle of nowhere, so I'm cool with it of that's their thing. Other groups could learn from this.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:41 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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BLM wants them to serve more time for the same crime.
So they are reacting to something BLM said? The only thing that does is give BLM a sense of relevance.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:42 pm to GRTiger
After reading up on this. I'm stunned at the BLM's behavior. They've been terrorizing the Hammond family for a while now. That's some dirty shite right there.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:43 pm to bencoleman
Another thing. Whoever is in charge of the BLM and the wildlife refuge should be in jail.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:50 pm to JOHNN
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No they are protesting over two different things:
The first is the fact that the father and son have already served prison time and were released. Now a judge all of a sudden decided that they didnt spend enough time in jail so he ordered them to serve even more time.
The second is the fact that this family owned all of this federal land for generations but over time the area around their property became a preserve. The fed govt wanted the family land as well and after many years of refusing to sell, the govt just kept upping the fees for the grazing permits until they had to sell off multiple plots and now the family business has pretty much gone to nothing.
The father and son peacefully turned themselves in over the "arson" but its bullshite that this corrupt judge is putting them back in jail bc once they are jail the family cant use the farm as well to make money. Cant mKe money, cant pay the fees, must give up land...
thanks for explaining all that....
no wonder they're pissed
the judge just wants to steal the land while they're locked up, ok I get it now
well, is it gonna be another frikkin ruby ridge?
sure hope not
where the hell is the injunction against this crap?!
Posted on 1/3/16 at 1:53 pm to JOHNN
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The second is the fact that this family owned all of this federal land for generations but over time the area around their property became a preserve. The fed govt wanted the family land as well and after many years of refusing to sell, the govt just kept upping the fees for the grazing permits until they had to sell off multiple plots and now the family business has pretty much gone to nothing.
The Native American tribes say hello. Back then it was bloody tribe massacres now it's death by a thousand cuts.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 2:09 pm to OweO
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So they are reacting to something BLM said? The only thing that does is give BLM a sense of relevance.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 2:11 pm to retired trucker
No one is happy with federal land management except the people buying favors. I had my dealings with them this summer, there is a lot of influence peddling going on.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 2:35 pm to GRTiger
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Are they saying that the government has taken land the family used to own, or did they just make previously unowned land around the family's a federal refuge?
The family owned an enormous plot of land. But over time as the govt bought the area around it they were putting pressure on the family to sell. When that didnt work they would up the fee's yr after yr which forced the family to sell plots here and there. And guess who just happened to buy the land when it went up for sale? The fed govt...
Posted on 1/3/16 at 3:13 pm to JOHNN
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They're productive members of society in an unoccupied ranger station in the middle of the woods.
No they're not. The Bundy ranch is in Nevada. This is happening in Oregon. These are all a bunch of "militia" (read: Sovereign Citizens) that get hard ons from guns and wearing camo. I would bet money that at least half of them were turned down for service in the military. The other half were too cowardly to actually enlist so they play dress up instead.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 3:17 pm to fr33manator
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They're productive members of society in an unoccupied ranger station in the middle of the woods. Tell me again how this is the same as looting and burning private property and disrupting productive citizens because some criminal got shot.
No one said they were the same. Thugs don't only do what you stated. But you keep making excuses for these armed thugs. This is not some group of teens camping out in the woods. Thanks for making my original point though. Have a black teen steal a candy bar and this board is quick to pull out all the epithets. Have these thugs do what they are doing and the discussion includes excuses and minimumizations.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 3:21 pm
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