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re: Who Is Your 3RD RD Pick? Any #59's still around?

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Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:01 am to
more Cam Johnson Scouting Reports-

A solid, well put together lineman with a strong looking lower half and natural length for the position. He does a solid job coiling up into his stance vs. the pass game, keeping his base under him, back flat and a good -not-great- initial first step. He displays the ability to at least threaten the edge on his pass rush, but he's a little tight struggles to really drop his pad level around the edge. He will get upright and can easily be pushed past the play. Exhibits the ability initially to keep his pad level down, extend his arms and can be physical through contact when asked to fend his way off blocks. Can work the bull rush through, gain leverage and run his legs through contact into the quarterback. Exhibits a good motor. Showcased more of a counter at the Senior Bowl than I saw throughout on tape. Is a more sudden lateral athlete than given credit for, which could really open up his pass rushing arsenal if he continue to improve.

Improved as a run defender as a senior. He can create a snap at times into contact and uses his length well and violent hands to shed blocks. Exhibits solid hand placement, extends his arms well and can initially gain some leverage. When he does keep his pad level down he can hold his own at the point, he just lacks that explosive initial quickness to disengage. But will make plays off his frame because of "plus" awareness and motor. Once he does free himself, he has some range off his frame and good closing speed on the outside.

Plays fast in space and can keep his feet under him and drop off into coverage in zone blitz situations. Was banged up as a senior and needs to prove he can stay healthy.

Impression: A solid college defensive end who has never been much of a sack artist but there are some tools there. Showcases some fluidity in his drop and in coverage and has the ability to mature into a more sudden pass rusher. Will get looks in both a 34 and 43 front.
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A versatile defender, Johnson played linebacker in a 3-4 scheme during his first two seasons at Virginia. When the team moved to a 4-3, Johnson switched to defensive end as a junior. That's where he has seen most of his playing time, since he stepped into a full-time starting role in 2010. Johnson recorded 6.5 sacks that year and he is enjoying another solid campaign as a senior. He leads the Wahoos with 8.5 tackles for loss and three sacks in eight games (he has missed one of the team's nine games).
Johnson, a Washington, D.C. native, has great size at 6'4'' and 270 pounds. He is a slightly better fit a defensive end, where he currently lines up, because his best asset is size as opposed to speed. Johnson generally runs in the 4.7s in the 40-yard dash and he has been clocked at 4.67 from that distance. He can overpower lesser offensive tackles but will have to develop a go-to move or two as he heads to the next level. Johnson would also do well to improve his run defense skills. With a strong finish to the season and a decent combine, Johnson could be a second-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.
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Pros:
Good size…long arms…explosive off the snap…Gets his hands up if he doesn’t get to the quarterback…does a good job of using his arms to drive the offensive linemen….Good hustle…uses his hands pretty well…Really good functional strength…
Cons:
Susecptive to reverses and misdirections crashes too far inside sometimes…lacks ideal awarness…struggles to maintain consistent leverage…Doesn’t offer a lot in terms of pass rush moves

Player comparison: Jeremy Mincey Jaguars
Round projection: 2nd

Thoughts
Cam Johnson has protpyical size for a 43 defensive end and is one of the few bright spots in a lackluster 43 DE class. Cam Johnson has a lot to work with, he has a really good motor and is quick off the snap, and he’s really strong. he has long arms and has active hands. His biggest problems are that he lacks great awarness, he doesn’t maintain his lanes extremely well and can be fooled by reverses, counters, misdirections. And secondly he doesn’t have a full repetoire of pass rush moves. It’s pretty much a bull rush with a little swim move. Still there is a lot to work with and his good size, hustle, and quick burst off the snap are all desireable traits at the N.F.L. level. If he can be coached up to play with better leverage and be taught how to prepare in the film room he could be a real nice player in the N.F.L.
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Film Room Notes: vs Georgia Tech

Strengths: Good size and decent length for his position – Strong upper and lower body – Has plus closing speed, can chase down a lot of plays – Decent agility, moves well for his size – Uses his hands well to disengage – Can set the edge in the run game, disengage, and make solid tackles – Locates the ball quickly in the run game – Shows good effort at all times, don’t see much loafing on tape – Bull rush is his go to move, gets a good push – Has experience as a 3-4 OLB (Al Groh) and 4-3 DE.

Weaknesses: Doesn’t exhibit a great first step, won’t win off of initial quickness – Needs to add to his repertoire of rush moves and counters – Gets a bit high rushing the passer, will get knocked off balance when trying to dip around the edge – Missed multiple games during his senior season due to leg injury.
1/31/12
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My impresssion
A 4-3 DE having pass rushing as his weak link doesn't seem like a great fit for the Saints. As a 3-4 OLB he could have higher value than the Saints late 2nd Rd pick. What makes him look like a Saints pick is that he seems to be more of an investment pick. It might take some time to develop him but he may have enough tools to eventually produce more than what was seen of him at Virginia.

I would note also that how free agency shakes out with DL & LBs will be huge for the Saints need factor. Departure of Smith or Vilma and then any free agent acquisitions will add or subtract a lot of weight to need. Who is on the roster on draft day will also affect how much they lean towards this type of investment player vs. one that can step in with more immediate impact.

Big Board Rankings
Walter 115
DraftTek 66
Great Blue 59
PFW 126
NFP 48

quite a spread in rankings placement, makes him a guy to watch at the Combine to see where his stock shakes out




Posted by geauxtigers87
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Posted on 2/9/12 at 9:04 am to
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Doesn’t offer a lot in terms of pass rush moves


This scares me. We already have a lot of players that can't get to the QB.
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/10/12 at 9:23 am to
still looking for more feedback on these guys

some of ya hafta have seen these guys play more than others

Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
Ronnell Lewis, DE, Oklahoma
Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska
Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
Posted by 99DSTJ
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/10/12 at 10:11 am to
If we could get Curry I would be ecstatic. Just my ignorant rankings of these guys. Don't know much about Martin which is why he's on the bottom.

Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall (1)
Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia (3)
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State (7)
Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma (4)
Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama (8)
Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State (5)
Ronnell Lewis, DE, Oklahoma (6)
Lavonte David, LB, Nebrraska (2)
Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State (9)
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:45 pm to
keeping this discussion alive comparing some other big boards. Started off with Gil Brandt's #49-79.

Now the same segment from Walter Football


Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Derek Wolfe, DT/DE, Cincinnati
Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
Shea McClellin, DE/OLB, Boise State

Billy Winn, DT/5T, Boise State

Bobbie Massie, OT, Ole Miss
Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
Robert Lester, FS, Alabama
Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
Ben Jones, C, Georgia
Markelle Martin, SS, Oklahoma State

Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford
Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
Sean Spence, OLB, Miami

LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
Jared Crick, DT/DE/5T, Nebraska

Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State

italicized players that are on both lists

bolded defensive front seven
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:41 pm to
Dang, we got the Combine coming and I can't get the draftaholics going.

another #49-79 list from Great Blue

italics for players that appear on all three in that range, bold for front seven D players


Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State
Bruce Irvin OLB West Virginia
Josh Chapman DT Alabama (X)

*Chandler Jones DE Syracuse
Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
*Orson Charles TE Georgia
Vinny Curry DE Marshall
Kendall Reyes DT UConn
Cam Johnson DE Virginia

*Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech
*Chris Polk RB Washington
Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
*Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State
*Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Lavonte David LB Nebraska
*LaMichael James RB Oregon (X)

*Marcus Forston DT Miami (X)
Dwight Jones WR North Carolina
Bobby Wagner LB Utah State
Doug Martin RB Boise State
Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma (X)
Matt McCants OT Alabama-Birmingham
Jaye Howard DT Florida
Antonio Allen FS South Carolina
Juron Criner WR Arizona (X)
Malik Jackson DE Tennessee
*Jonathan Massquoi LB Troy

Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati

*underclassmen, X injury issues
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:20 pm to
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and I can't get the draftaholics going.


trying not to relapse just yet.

I went to one of the Senior Bowl practices, the North team on a Wednesday morning, a very crucial day. Two guys that caught my attention were Vinny Curry and Mike Martin. Curry did an excellent job in the one on one drills. He did a good job against the big offensive tackle from Ohio State, the Adams kid I believe. Also lined up on Kevin Zeitler's outside shoulder at one point and blew right past him.

When they went eleven on eleven and the offense started running plays, he wasn't as impressive. I don't know if he was tired or anything like that but he also saw double teams in that portion.

Mike Martin was a fricking beast. This guy was owning the Ohio State center almost every play. He looked like a high motor guy who could provide some push up the middle. When I say high motor, I mean he seemed to bring it every play. Walter's mock had us taking him in the second round. I'd like to us get a LB or a DE first but I wouldn't be disappointed with this guy.
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 10:22 pm
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:54 pm to
I've always heard that the one on one drills were the most important part of the SR Bowl. It's especially helpful to see small school guys perform against the bigger ones.

Will have to check into Martin. Ellis is in the last year of his contract. If they don't see him long term DT could be a much bigger need. Most prolly think one of Rogers or Franklin will be back but that isn't in stone.

Positional need could change radically. An impact player signed or a Colston or Nicks departure would alter it a lot.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:07 pm to
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Will have to check into Martin. Ellis is in the last year of his contract.


I remember Ellis having a good week at the Senior Bowl too. He looked alot like Martin did in the one on one drills, but Martin really got after it on every rep he had.

I know Ellis had a disappointing season but did you ever get the impression that the lack of pass rush from the defensive line was due to the scheme? I mean, they played the run well. I don't want to make excuses for them but having three first rounders on the defensive line and not getting much production from them when rushing the passer is hard for me to accept
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:29 pm to
In 2010 he looked like he was coming on with 6 sacks. He's playing for a contract this year so we'll see.

I think most are praying that it was the scheme! Vilma, Jenkins, & Robinson 1st Rders too. Rogers, Harper, & Porter 2nds... so ya can't say they haven't been trying to infuse talent.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:41 pm to
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so ya can't say they haven't been trying to infuse talent.


oh yeah I agree.

Also forgot to mention this but I caught an interview that Mike Martin gave with WNSP while he was in town for the Senior Bowl. Turns out this guy was a state champion in wrestling. I think he said he won the shot put too :csb: Don't know if he is the kind of guy who will have an impressive showing at the combine but I'll bet he kills it in the strength tests.
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 10:31 pm to
Boards and Mocks are starting to get in gear. I've compared Gil Brandt, Great Blue, & Walter so far. it's not a bad way to get the current stock value of players. let's add another from NFP.

List their #49 to #79

players that appear in that range on all four lists are italicized

Defensive front 7 is the main focus unless something changes in free agency. DL & LBs are bold.

49 George Iloka SS, Boise State 6-3 216 6.8 Full Scouting Report
50 Cam Johnson DE, Virginia 6-4 270 6.8 Full Scouting Report
51 Travis Lewis OLB, Oklahoma 6-2 227 6.8 Full Scouting Report
52 Doug Martin RB, Boise State 5-9 215 6.8 Full Scouting Report
53 Josh Norman CB, Coastal Carolina 6-0 190 6.8 Full Scouting Report
54 Alfonzo Dennard CB, Nebraska 5-10 205 6.7 D Full Scouting Report
55 Joe Adams WR, Arkansas 5-11 190 6.7 Full Scouting Report
56 Jarius Wright WR, Arkansas 5-10 180 6.7 Full Scouting Report
57 Kelechi Osemele OG, Iowa State 6-6 347 6.6 X C Full Scouting Report
58 Ronnell Lewis OLB, Oklahoma 6-2 244 6.6 T C Full Scouting Report
59 Alshon Jeffery WR, South Carolina 6-4 229 6.6 S J Full Scouting Report
60 Stephon Gilmore CB, South Carolina 6-1 193 6.6 J Full Scouting Report
61 Jerel Worthy DT, Michigan State 6-3 310 6.6 J Full Scouting Report
62 Bruce Irvin OLB, West Virginia 6-3 245 6.6 D P Full Scouting Report
63 Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford 6-6 304 6.6 D B J Full Scouting Report
64 Stephen Hill WR, Georgia Tech 6-5 206 6.6 D Full Scouting Report
65 Vontaze Burfict ILB, Arizona State 6-3 250 6.6 C J Full Scouting Report
66 Trumaine Johnson CB, Montana 6-2 204 6.6 C Full Scouting Report
67 Coryell Judie CB, Texas A&M 5-11 190 6.5 X Full Scouting Report
68 Josh Chapman DT, Alabama 6-1 310 6.5 M Full Scouting Report
69 Mitchell Schwartz OT, California 6-6 318 6.5 D Full Scouting Report
70 Jeff Allen OG, Illinois 6-5 315 6.5 Full Scouting Report
71 Marvin Jones WR, California 6-3 202 6.5 Full Scouting Report
72 Shea McClellin OLB, Boise State 6-3 258 6.5 Full Scouting Report
73 Lucas Nix OG, Pittsburgh 6-6 310 6.5 Full Scouting Report
74 Bobby Wagner ILB, Utah State 6-1 232 6.5 Full Scouting Report
75 Brandon Weeden QB, Oklahoma State 6-4 218 6.5 Full Scouting Report
76 Kevin Zeitler OG, Wisconsin 6-4 315 6.5 Full Scouting Report
77 Vinny Curry DE, Marshall 6-4 263 6.5 Full Scouting Report
78 Demario Davis OLB, Arkansas State 6-3 230 6.5 Full Scouting Report
79 Whitney Mercilus DE, Illinois 6-4 265 6.4 T M Full Scouting Report

Down to just 3 that are on all 4 lists. All are defensive front 7.

TRAVIS LEWIS OLB OKLA
BRUCE IRVIN OLB WV
JOSH CHAPMAN DT ALA

Haven't done a review of Chapman yet. Any Bama fans have a take on him?
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:37 pm to
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Haven't done a review of Chapman yet.


Pretty sure he had surgery on one of his knees after the season was over. I think he is best suited to play nose tackle in a 3-4 defense. Only watched a few Bama games this year. He looked pretty stout against the run but not much of a threat rushing the passer. Dude seemed like he played at Alabama forever. I think he was redshirted in 2007, can't be sure about that, I'll have to ask my buddy about it, dude knows everything about that team. Regardless of the year he was redshirted, he has a ton of experience.
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 2/15/12 at 7:30 am to
Missed Detellier's review of the SR Bowl HERE

The Charles Atlas Award: Utah State outside linebacker Bobby Wagner.

The 6-0 ½, 242-pound fist team all-Western Athletic Conference linebacker looks as though someone has carved him out of granite. He has a super build, a very muscular upper-body, a huge wingspan and for a 240-pounder Wagner has excellent lateral foot speed and explosive hitting qualities on the move. Last season Wagner racked up 147 tackles and recorded 11 ½ tackles for losses and coaches at the Senior Bowl were impressed on how quickly he picked up pro style techniques as a cover linebacker and also in taking better angles to the ballcarrier. Look for Wagner to be selected late in Round 2.

Go back and check his scouting reports if ya haven't. He certainly looks the part.

Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 2/15/12 at 11:24 am to
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Last season Wagner racked up 147 tackles and recorded 11 ½ tackles for losses


posted double-digit tackles in nine of 13 games in 2011, including 20 tackles vs. Louisiana Tech.

also posted 10 tackles vs. Auburn, two of them were for losses.

was the MVP for the North in the Senior Bowl with 7 tackles and an interception.
Posted by GOON
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/15/12 at 1:38 pm to
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Bobby Wagner


The more I read about this guy, the more I like him.

My top three right now:
Curry
David
Wagner
This post was edited on 2/15/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Meateye
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:34 am to
I just cant get into it as big as I usually do with no 1st round pick.

But anyways this Curry kid is the one we need by far!!
Posted by blueslover
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 7:13 am to
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Curry kid is the one we need by far!!


and commensurately unlikely to be available at #59

I'd call him faint hope at best. After the Combine he's likely to reach the no way available rating.

Remember talking Aldon Smith this time last year? Curry is not that good but his stock is certainly rising.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:13 pm to
My vote:

1. Curry.

2. Bruce Irvin

3. Lavonte David
Posted by Meateye
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:48 pm to
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Remember talking Aldon Smith this time last year? Curry is not that good but his stock is certainly rising.
Man I wanted Aldon too!! I had him going to us at one time in my mock last year.

You gonna make a mock this year? Dont know if I am or not.

P.S. I ended up mocking Cam Jordan to us because Im badass like that!
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 12:50 pm
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