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What is a Compensatory Pick?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:30 pm
Never heard if it
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Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:32 pm to JGuidry7
You went and done it now.
Hold on; it's going to be a rough ride.
Hold on; it's going to be a rough ride.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:32 pm to JGuidry7
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:32 pm to JGuidry7
That's cause the Saints never get them.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:34 pm to JGuidry7
quote:
JGuidry7
NFL assigns them to teams you lost a player in FA you didn't get a guy of equal value. for example
Bushrod=Butler/Lewis
we would have gotten one if we replace Bushman with someone of close or equal value. Also comp picks cannot be traded
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:34 pm to Sho Nuff
quote:Colston son
That's cause the Saints never get them.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:35 pm to Sho Nuff
quote:
That's cause the Saints never get them.
We always sign just the right amount of FAs while losing just the wrong amount. We miss by like 1 player every year.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:35 pm to fightingtigers98
Still though, you just named one I was hoping we'd get a comp pick for.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:01 pm to fightingtigers98
Colston was out last comp pick in 2006... Noone will ever talk me into believing comp picks are fair. Same teams get picks every year no matter who they lose.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:03 pm to saints63213
If they were fair, the NFL wouldn't hide the equation.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:05 pm to saints63213
First things first is the amount of players you lose, and those same teams that get them year after year do that intentionally(those are the teams that are intentionally building through the draft like SF an GB).
They plan to lose guys and not sign too many so they get those picks.
Quality is a secondary factor in determining the round, not in if you get them.
We don't just build through the draft and are extremely aggressive in FA. That's why we never get them. No conspiracy. It's just that Payton and Loomis go with quality and knowns over quantity and unknowns.
Edit:
So if you want to blame someone, blame Payton and Loomis for signing so many FAs year after year. Honestly I prefer it that way. Draft is a fricking crap shoot most of the time.
They plan to lose guys and not sign too many so they get those picks.
Quality is a secondary factor in determining the round, not in if you get them.
We don't just build through the draft and are extremely aggressive in FA. That's why we never get them. No conspiracy. It's just that Payton and Loomis go with quality and knowns over quantity and unknowns.
Edit:
So if you want to blame someone, blame Payton and Loomis for signing so many FAs year after year. Honestly I prefer it that way. Draft is a fricking crap shoot most of the time.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:06 pm to JGuidry7
dont let these fools put you down. Its an honest questionPosted on 5/9/14 at 11:18 pm to bonethug0108
And since no one else fully explained it and I only partially touched it, it works like this:
First factor is number. Guys that are cut and our unsigned guys do not count. If we sign 6 but lose 7 we will get 1 pick. If we sign 5 and lose 5 we get nothing.
There is a limit on the total amount you can get so you can't just sign no one and hope all of your UFAs get picked up so you get 10 of them. Not sure of the limit but it may be 4 or 5.
Then after the number is figured out you start matching player quality(play time and post season accolades) to determine the round. Similar players cancel each other out.
So if you sign 4 guys and lose 6 you'll get 2 picks. If 4 equal guys cancel out and the leftover two are a special teamer and a pro bowler you might get a 3rd and a 7th.
No comp picks before the 3rd.
And it's based on the prior year as the current year isn't done playing out and you could cheat the system that way.
First factor is number. Guys that are cut and our unsigned guys do not count. If we sign 6 but lose 7 we will get 1 pick. If we sign 5 and lose 5 we get nothing.
There is a limit on the total amount you can get so you can't just sign no one and hope all of your UFAs get picked up so you get 10 of them. Not sure of the limit but it may be 4 or 5.
Then after the number is figured out you start matching player quality(play time and post season accolades) to determine the round. Similar players cancel each other out.
So if you sign 4 guys and lose 6 you'll get 2 picks. If 4 equal guys cancel out and the leftover two are a special teamer and a pro bowler you might get a 3rd and a 7th.
No comp picks before the 3rd.
And it's based on the prior year as the current year isn't done playing out and you could cheat the system that way.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 5/10/14 at 2:06 am to bonethug0108
A 3rd is way too high to give teams. It shouldn't be any higher than a 5th.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 2:36 am to mm2316
While they are technically 3rd rounders they are really in between the 3rd and the 4th, and that is where most experts agree the talent starts getting shallow.
Basically if you lose a pro bowler you get a shot at what is normally projected to be a role player or low grade starter.
Only teams that feel they draft very well even attempt to purposely lose pro bowlers without replacing them. That's teams like SF, GB, Pitt, and Baltimore. In other words, the teams that got 3rd rounders this year.
I don't think any other teams intentionally try to get 3rd or 4th rounders.
Imo, the risk outweighs the reward, and the Saints agree with that and never try to get them on purpose. Despite them drafting pretty well, the draft is too much of a risk over just signing known FAs.
If they really want a player in the draft they will find a way to get him and not rely on comp picks to bolster their chances.
Sure this hurts the cap, but that's why we have the best in the business at navigating those waters.
Basically if you lose a pro bowler you get a shot at what is normally projected to be a role player or low grade starter.
Only teams that feel they draft very well even attempt to purposely lose pro bowlers without replacing them. That's teams like SF, GB, Pitt, and Baltimore. In other words, the teams that got 3rd rounders this year.
I don't think any other teams intentionally try to get 3rd or 4th rounders.
Imo, the risk outweighs the reward, and the Saints agree with that and never try to get them on purpose. Despite them drafting pretty well, the draft is too much of a risk over just signing known FAs.
If they really want a player in the draft they will find a way to get him and not rely on comp picks to bolster their chances.
Sure this hurts the cap, but that's why we have the best in the business at navigating those waters.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 2:37 am
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:14 am to bonethug0108
appreciate giving the dude honest answers to a honest question. The formula is nothing publicized but it is no secret. Every year there are some armchair GM geeks who even accurately predict how many each team gets. Bottomline it's basically losing a significant amount of free agent value more than you might obtain.
For 2015 think-
LOST
Harper
dlP
Brown
Jenkins
Moore
and see if Greer lands somewhere else
that's quite a bit but we also signed Byrd. The contracts they sign play into the equation is well if I remember.
HERE is some good further detail
1. Lost players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs and ERFAs do not qualify.
2. Lost players that were picked up during the season the year before do not qualify.
3. Signed players that are released before midseason do not qualify.
4. Players earning low minimum salaries do not qualify.
5. Each player signed cancels out one player lost.
6. The round of the pick awarded is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts.
--there's an opening around here for a geek level armchair GM to be the resident expert and forecaster for this.
For 2015 think-
LOST
Harper
dlP
Brown
Jenkins
Moore
and see if Greer lands somewhere else
that's quite a bit but we also signed Byrd. The contracts they sign play into the equation is well if I remember.
HERE is some good further detail
1. Lost players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs and ERFAs do not qualify.
2. Lost players that were picked up during the season the year before do not qualify.
3. Signed players that are released before midseason do not qualify.
4. Players earning low minimum salaries do not qualify.
5. Each player signed cancels out one player lost.
6. The round of the pick awarded is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts.
--there's an opening around here for a geek level armchair GM to be the resident expert and forecaster for this.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:26 am to Hoodoo Man
The system looks bogus to me.
Everyone in the NFL gets basically equal money to spend on players. So teams certainly have the resources to replace the players they lose. If they choose not to, why should they be compensated for that?
It's not as dubious as MLB's "competitive balance" picks, where that poor, deprived St Louis Cardinals operation is given extra picks every year.
Everyone in the NFL gets basically equal money to spend on players. So teams certainly have the resources to replace the players they lose. If they choose not to, why should they be compensated for that?
It's not as dubious as MLB's "competitive balance" picks, where that poor, deprived St Louis Cardinals operation is given extra picks every year.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:42 am to blueslover
Thanks fightingtiger, bone, and blues!
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:01 am to JGuidry7
It's a subjective stupid arse method of rewarding incompetence
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:40 am to blueslover
quote:Harper, Moore, Greer, and Smith won't count as they were cut, and Tom Johnson and Jed Collins won't count as they weren't tendered. DLP and Charlie Brown don't count because they got the minimum(didn't know about that rule).
LOST
Harper
dlP
Brown
Jenkins
Moore
and see if Greer lands somewhere else
So we lost 1 qualified UFA(Jenkins) to another team otherwise and signed 2 unless Ball counts(not sure how they do Canadian players).
And we may pick up a guy or 2 like Goodwin and our only qualifying players left we can lose are Vilma and Herring so we are on track to not get any next year either.
Main problem is we resigned just about all of our own UFAs. They chose to go with a lot of those guys on 1 year deals over getting a 6th or 7th for them.
Like I said, they value the known a lot more than late round unknowns, especially when you consider these are the same as 1 year rentals "traded" for late rounders.
Edit:
Also these picks are the "rewards" people were asking for when saying it isn't fair that a team that drafts really well can lose all of their investment in 4 years when they bolt.
So we don't need another system because this one works just fine. You either resign your guys or get a small reward for your investments.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 9:45 am
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