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Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Tigerbait1977 
on 1/13/21 at 10:46 am
on 1/13/21 at 10:46 am
6
6Not saying he should be MVP or was robbed.
But looking at the stats and some research. He definitely should have been talked about more. We are gonna compare him with Josh Allen and Russell Wilson. 2 people who are discussed but won’t win it in all likely.
Numbers below up to that time pre Brees injury.
Drew Brees: pre injury
2,196 pass yards 19 Pass TDs, Passer rating 110.5 with only 3 ints and 72% completion
Josh Allen:
2,405 pass yards 19 pass TDs Passer Rating 97.88 with 5 ints and 67.8% completion.
Russell Wilson:
2,791 pass yards 28 pass TDs passer rating 112 with 11 ints 68.6% completions
Brees throws the ball less than these QBs and his yards per attempt is not as good so therefore they will the yards advantage. TDs are similar even with the lower attempts for Brees. These QBs caught fire at different times. Wilson would struggle week after Brees was injured. And Allen was struggling up to this point. And before injury Brees seemed to catch fire. Not saying he woulda won it, but I’m thinking playing all the games Brees ends up around 34 pass TDs 8 ints and the highest Passer ratting. Just thought I would share. Curious on you guys thoughts on this?
Note: This research was done by mostly my calculator, might not be exact but pretty close. Just letting you know.
Sorry for length of post.
But looking at the stats and some research. He definitely should have been talked about more. We are gonna compare him with Josh Allen and Russell Wilson. 2 people who are discussed but won’t win it in all likely.
Numbers below up to that time pre Brees injury.
Drew Brees: pre injury
2,196 pass yards 19 Pass TDs, Passer rating 110.5 with only 3 ints and 72% completion
Josh Allen:
2,405 pass yards 19 pass TDs Passer Rating 97.88 with 5 ints and 67.8% completion.
Russell Wilson:
2,791 pass yards 28 pass TDs passer rating 112 with 11 ints 68.6% completions
Brees throws the ball less than these QBs and his yards per attempt is not as good so therefore they will the yards advantage. TDs are similar even with the lower attempts for Brees. These QBs caught fire at different times. Wilson would struggle week after Brees was injured. And Allen was struggling up to this point. And before injury Brees seemed to catch fire. Not saying he woulda won it, but I’m thinking playing all the games Brees ends up around 34 pass TDs 8 ints and the highest Passer ratting. Just thought I would share. Curious on you guys thoughts on this?
Note: This research was done by mostly my calculator, might not be exact but pretty close. Just letting you know.
Sorry for length of post.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Mrwhodat 
on 1/13/21 at 10:54 am to Tigerbait1977
on 1/13/21 at 10:54 am to Tigerbait1977Drew Brees could throw for 6,000 yards, 60 TD's, 72% completions, 7 ints, and a passer rating of 111.1 and still not win the MVP.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Tigerbait1977 on 1/13/21 at 10:56 am to Mrwhodat
on 1/13/21 at 10:56 am to MrwhodatMost underrated QB ever.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by hollywoodhead 
on 1/13/21 at 11:04 am to Mrwhodat
on 1/13/21 at 11:04 am to Mrwhodatquote:
Drew Brees could throw for 6,000 yards, 60 TD's, 72% completions, 7 ints, and a passer rating of 111.1 and still not win the MVP
2011:
5,476 yds
46 TD
14 INT
71.1 % completion
110.6 passer rating
quote:
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has won the 2011 Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player award in a landslide
This post was edited on 1/13 at 11:05 am
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Tigerbait1977 on 1/13/21 at 11:06 am to hollywoodhead
on 1/13/21 at 11:06 am to hollywoodheadClearly robbed. What did Rodgers do better then Brees that year?
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by josh336 
on 1/13/21 at 11:15 am to Tigerbait1977
on 1/13/21 at 11:15 am to Tigerbait1977Rodgers had superior numbers that year. At least in terms of 8 less ints
This post was edited on 1/13 at 11:16 am
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by htran90 
on 1/13/21 at 11:18 am to Tigerbait1977
on 1/13/21 at 11:18 am to Tigerbait1977Tds
Less ints
Better passer rating
Better team record
Won head to head
The one everyone should be pissed about should be 2009
Less ints
Better passer rating
Better team record
Won head to head
The one everyone should be pissed about should be 2009
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by hollywoodhead on 1/13/21 at 11:23 am to htran90
on 1/13/21 at 11:23 am to htran90I was just referencing the post above about throwing for 6k yards, 60 TDs and having a 111 passer rating wasn't too far off from what Brees actually did in 2011
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re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Tigerbait1977 on 1/13/21 at 11:51 am to htran90
on 1/13/21 at 11:51 am to htran90Pretty sure Rodgers had less TDs.
Brees had 46 and Rodgers 44?
Not sure though.
Brees had 46 and Rodgers 44?
Not sure though.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by 1BamaRTR on 1/13/21 at 12:02 pm to Tigerbait1977
on 1/13/21 at 12:02 pm to Tigerbait1977Rodgers had 48 total TDs (rushing included) in 1 less game
Brees had 47
I think Brees could’ve won it in 2018 if he had kept up his pace. Going into the Cowboys loss, he had a 126 passer rating which is ridiculous. As good as Mahomes was, Brees was still getting a lot of attention up until that Cowboys game.
I still think he got hurt against the Falcons the previous game because his production had a steep drop off after that. If not, Brees may have won MVP and most likely won the SB.
Brees had 47
I think Brees could’ve won it in 2018 if he had kept up his pace. Going into the Cowboys loss, he had a 126 passer rating which is ridiculous. As good as Mahomes was, Brees was still getting a lot of attention up until that Cowboys game.
I still think he got hurt against the Falcons the previous game because his production had a steep drop off after that. If not, Brees may have won MVP and most likely won the SB.
quote:
Efficiency stats hurt him against Rodgers but did not help him against Mahomes. The criteria shifts based on who is popular and what narrative works better.
Not quite.
Rodgers per game stats were not much behind Brees compared to Mahomes and Brees. Rodgers had more TDs in one less game. He averaged 312 offensive ypg compared to 337 for Brees. His passer rating was a whopping 12 points higher.
Meanwhile Brees was only slight more efficient. His passer rating was just 2 points higher. If he had maintained his 126 passer rating, he would’ve had a better argument. Mahomes averaged 357 total offensive YPG compared to 268 for Brees. Mahomes had 16 more TDs. Again a way larger difference compared to the difference between Brees and Rodgers in 2011.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Vacherie Saint on 1/13/21 at 1:55 pm to Tigerbait1977
on 1/13/21 at 1:55 pm to Tigerbait1977Rogers broke the record for highest QBR or something like that. The media loves them some QBR.
Brees set over 15 all time NFL records that season, yet he was barely in contention.
Brees set over 15 all time NFL records that season, yet he was barely in contention.
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by goatmilker 
on 1/13/21 at 1:58 pm to Mrwhodat
on 1/13/21 at 1:58 pm to Mrwhodatquote:
and a passer rating of 111.1 and still not win the MVP.
quote:
and a passer rating of 111.1 and still not win the MVP.
Yup
They always cut him down by saying "well...he's a system quarterback".
Like who isn't
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by htran90 on 1/13/21 at 2:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
on 1/13/21 at 2:05 pm to Vacherie Saintquote:
Brees set over 15 all time NFL records that season, yet he was barely in contention.
Because mvp is a single season award, not a lifetime achievement.
Single season, Mahomes' numbers were ridiculous. Brees' robbery was in 2009
re: Was Drew Brees before injury sneakily putting up MVP conversation numbers? (Long post)Posted by Vacherie Saint on 1/13/21 at 2:57 pm to htran90
on 1/13/21 at 2:57 pm to htran90quote:
Because mvp is a single season award, not a lifetime achievement.
quote:
Brees set over 15 all time NFL records that season
Reading is fundamental
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