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Sports fans connecting to winners
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:35 pm
So I’m reading Influence by Robert Cialdini... it’s about persuasion.
Anyways in one of his chapters he gives an example of people wanting to be associated with winners and root for local teams because we naturally feel like if the team wins then we’re a winner too, And it was more interesting because he talks about Saints fans putting brown bags on their faces so as to not be associated with the team, and then of course took the bags off once they started winning.
So, my question is do any of you notice a difference in your mood whether the Saints win or lose throughout the week?
Anyways in one of his chapters he gives an example of people wanting to be associated with winners and root for local teams because we naturally feel like if the team wins then we’re a winner too, And it was more interesting because he talks about Saints fans putting brown bags on their faces so as to not be associated with the team, and then of course took the bags off once they started winning.
So, my question is do any of you notice a difference in your mood whether the Saints win or lose throughout the week?
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:37 pm to Lsujacket66
When right out of college and younger, absolutely. Losses would piss me off the entire week leading up to the next game. It took me a very long time to get over the 2011 season endings for LSU and the Saints. Since then, and especially after kids, I get pissed but within 20-30 mins I'm over it depending on the game. But even when I was younger I would never consider cheering for another team because mine weren't good. That just always felt like it really defeated the purpose. It's why I've never gotten into MLB, I just don't have any rooting interest.
This past week against the Cowboys was probably the longest I've been pissed about a game since then. Even moreso than last year's Minny game
This past week against the Cowboys was probably the longest I've been pissed about a game since then. Even moreso than last year's Minny game
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:46 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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This past week against the Cowboys was probably the longest I've been pissed about a game since then. Even moreso than last year's Minny game
Agreed on your timeline as well. The most is about 24 hours, e.g. the games you mentioned. A big win is cool because the high lasts through the night as I use it as an excuse to party a little extra. Fun to rewatch highlights the next day in that scenario as well.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:51 pm to LSUminati
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This past week against the Cowboys was probably the longest I've been pissed about a game since then. Even moreso than last year's Minny game
Agreed on your timeline as well. The most is about 24 hours, e.g. the games you mentioned. A big win is cool because the high lasts through the night as I use it as an excuse to party a little extra. Fun to rewatch highlights the next day in that scenario as well.
After the Minn miracle play I didn’t watch sports for 2 weeks... I also noticed before the Dallas game I’d watch numerous sports talk shows every day but haven’t watched any sports talk show since, I guess because I didn’t want to hear negative talk about the team
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:04 pm to Lsujacket66
Up to my mid 20s for sure. I was 29 when we won the Super Bowl so obviously really dialed in. From 31 and first child it has diminished quite a bit. Last season I essentially shrugged off the Vikings playoff loss and out my oldest two to bed. Probably spent more time defending Marcus Williams as a good young player than being upset by the loss on here. I mean it sucked but you’ve got real life to live.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:00 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I think the playoff loss was "easier" because the season was done at that point and then Minny got trounced the next week. Then football faded until FA and the draft an new hope. You could just tune it all out after that loss.
The Dal loss is in the thick of a heated race for the one seed, and the season is still going. It's a game we should and could have won.
So yeah the Dal loss is still burning, but if we beat TB and LAR loses then that will fade immensely.
The Dal loss is in the thick of a heated race for the one seed, and the season is still going. It's a game we should and could have won.
So yeah the Dal loss is still burning, but if we beat TB and LAR loses then that will fade immensely.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:11 pm to Lsujacket66
Short answer: Yes (but the intensity is fading), and it's natural/innate to feel tribal/group association/connection.
Long answer: Most people want to be a winner themselves and if they can't, they will root vicariously through others that they have a relative connection with of some sort. The intensity/fervor usually fades the older one gets when they stop giving a frick about anyone outside of themselves and/or their immediate circle.
The nature of bias/prejudice can be illustrated this way:
-Imagine two brothers, one older, one younger who constantly fight each other for a parent's affection.
-But when the older brother sees his younger brother being beaten up by a neighbor, he will fight alongside his brother against the neighbor.
-When neighborhoods play street-ball, he and brother and the neighbor will join together to beat the other neighborhood team.
-When the neighborhood's school plays against the school in the next door town/city, they all root for their school to win
-When a school from their region (ex: South) plays another school in another region of the state (ex: North), they root for their regional school to win
-When their State school plays against a next-door state, they root for their state to win.
-When a state school in their region (ex: South) plays against a school from a different region of the country (ex: North), they will root for their region of the country to win
-When their country goes against another country in sports or war, they will root for/support their country to win
-Lastly, when Aliens invade from another world, (most) humans will join together in the fight, finally directing their prejudices away from their fellow humans and against the Aliens.
Long answer: Most people want to be a winner themselves and if they can't, they will root vicariously through others that they have a relative connection with of some sort. The intensity/fervor usually fades the older one gets when they stop giving a frick about anyone outside of themselves and/or their immediate circle.
The nature of bias/prejudice can be illustrated this way:
-Imagine two brothers, one older, one younger who constantly fight each other for a parent's affection.
-But when the older brother sees his younger brother being beaten up by a neighbor, he will fight alongside his brother against the neighbor.
-When neighborhoods play street-ball, he and brother and the neighbor will join together to beat the other neighborhood team.
-When the neighborhood's school plays against the school in the next door town/city, they all root for their school to win
-When a school from their region (ex: South) plays another school in another region of the state (ex: North), they root for their regional school to win
-When their State school plays against a next-door state, they root for their state to win.
-When a state school in their region (ex: South) plays against a school from a different region of the country (ex: North), they will root for their region of the country to win
-When their country goes against another country in sports or war, they will root for/support their country to win
-Lastly, when Aliens invade from another world, (most) humans will join together in the fight, finally directing their prejudices away from their fellow humans and against the Aliens.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:19 pm to St Augustine
This is the point in life when you get excited about buying a new vacuum.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:23 pm to Lsujacket66
Most people don't have emotional maturity to separate their rooting interest for a team from their passion for the sport itself. It's the reason people are stupid in general and our fan bases are delusional. It's the reason idiots claim they don't watch baseball because they don't have rooting interest.
100% people can be knee jerk pissed about a result and as you grow older become less pissed. That's easy. Probably about a quarter of those people also recognize the greater value of sports and appreciate the game, no matter the result. Then a very small percentage of those people act on their emotions and invest - season tix, intelligent message board posting, business investment, etc.
Sure, the team can affect mood for hours, days, a season .. but it's a fanbase's ability to change the team/franchise that will ultimately bring them sports-related happiness.
When our team sucks, we need to abandon completely rather than wear stupid paper bags.
100% people can be knee jerk pissed about a result and as you grow older become less pissed. That's easy. Probably about a quarter of those people also recognize the greater value of sports and appreciate the game, no matter the result. Then a very small percentage of those people act on their emotions and invest - season tix, intelligent message board posting, business investment, etc.
Sure, the team can affect mood for hours, days, a season .. but it's a fanbase's ability to change the team/franchise that will ultimately bring them sports-related happiness.
When our team sucks, we need to abandon completely rather than wear stupid paper bags.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:51 pm to BattinRouge11
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When our team sucks, we need to abandon completely rather than wear stupid paper bags.
This is the words of a band wagon fan.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:59 pm to Lsujacket66
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So, my question is do any of you notice a difference in your mood whether the Saints win or lose throughout the week?
It’s not as dire as it was 10 years ago in my twenties but it’s easier to get up on Monday after a win
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:17 pm to ShootingsBricks4Life
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words of a band wagon fan
Na, words of a fan who knows how to make change rather than accept mediocrity.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:37 pm to Bduhon55
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this is the point in life when you get excited about buying a new vacuum.
“Check this shite out! It’s so light!”
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:46 pm to Lsujacket66
I used to be physically sick after a Saints or LSU loss, probably 10 years or so ago
I still get as emotional during the game but after I’m pretty much done. If it’s a particularly ugly loss I just avoid espn, radio, podcasts etc.
It’s been a great experience to care less when the game is over
I still get as emotional during the game but after I’m pretty much done. If it’s a particularly ugly loss I just avoid espn, radio, podcasts etc.
It’s been a great experience to care less when the game is over
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:27 am to St Augustine
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and first child it has diminished quite a bit
Damn kids ruin everything
I think the Super Bowl year, was 29 then, was the last year that I was fully invested in the Saints. Once the game is over, I have moved on. I will banter back and forth with anyone that has come over to watch, but I am either on to watching the next game or I am back to whatever I need to do around the house. During the Dallas game, as soon as the interception was confirmed and it was obvious Dallas was kneeling, I turned it off and went to bed. Pre-Super Bowl that would not have been a consideration.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:00 am to Weekend Warrior79
The people I shake my head at are the front runner Bama "fans" who were born and raised in Louisiana, have no ties to Alabama, and could not name a Bama coach besides Saban and Bear.
There are also often Patriots fans.
There are also often Patriots fans.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:59 pm to Lsujacket66
No difference in my mood. I was over the loss in Minnesota last year after about an hour. When I was a kid I'd be pissed for a week like when Mike Lansford kicked us out of the playoffs in the last game on 1983.
When you grow up and achieve success for yourself, you don't need it to come from others like your favorite sports teams. The adults who let it bother them more than a day or two have issues.
When you grow up and achieve success for yourself, you don't need it to come from others like your favorite sports teams. The adults who let it bother them more than a day or two have issues.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:22 pm to Jake88
I cried when Dwight Clark caught that TD over Everson Walls. I was 11.
The roughest football week in my adult life was January 2012. Two brutal losses for my two favorite teams. No tears shed, but several F-bombs.
The roughest football week in my adult life was January 2012. Two brutal losses for my two favorite teams. No tears shed, but several F-bombs.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:40 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Damn kids ruin everything
I think the Super Bowl year,
My wife got pregnant during preseason of the SB year with our first child. She was my lucky baby.
Then she was born and it all went downhill. Got 3 girls now. They're rough.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:53 pm to clamdip
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The people I shake my head at are the front runner Bama "fans" who were born and raised in Louisiana, have no ties to Alabama, and could not name a Bama coach besides Saban and Bear.
There are also often Patriots fans.
bandwagon fans are essentially a prime example of what Cialdini describes as someone who needs that validation in their personal life to be connected to a winner
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