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Saints would have had to trade 3 first rounders to get into top 10
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:42 am
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:42 am
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New Orleans Saints fans went into the first round of the 2021 NFL draft with high expectations — owing to multiple reports that the team was exploring a bold trade up from No. 28 and into the top 10 selections, targeting a non-quarterback. The Saints ultimately didn’t make that move, though, and it’s because the cost was just too high for them to rationalize. SI.com’s Albert Breer reports that it would have taken three first rounders to vault up the draft board:
“The Saints sniffed around on trading up for one of the draft’s top corners. My sense is they were bargain-shopping a little (I heard from a couple of teams that they weren’t going to put a third first-rounder on the table to jump from No. 28), which is why they were never particularly close on a deal. But had they gone up, I’m told they liked both Alabama’s Patrick Surtain II and South Carolina’s Horn, either of whom would have given them some flexibility with Marshon Lattimore (both the contract and his legal situation).”
That lines up with previous reports that the Denver Broncos wanted the Saints to spend multiple first and second round picks on a jump from No. 28 to 10, and it’s easy to see why New Orleans balked at that. Such a cost would have decapitated their next two draft classes and forced an all-in push to win a Super Bowl in 2021, which runs against the moves the Saints have made so far in bringing in low-cost, high-upside free agents while stockpiling compensatory draft picks and signing Jameis Winston to a prove-it deal.
It just wouldn’t have made any sense, which is why the Saints didn’t pull the trigger on such a move. While Horn or Surtain would have given them a lockdown option opposite Lattimore, punting on the next two draft classes (having given up Nos. 28 and 60 this year, plus first rounders in 2022 and 2023) wasn’t worth it.
We’ll see what their next moves include. They were able to add a great prospect in Paulson Adebo to compete for a starting job right away, but don’t be shocked if the Saints bring in an experienced free agent to avoid rushing Adebo into action too quickly. With the 2022 comp picks gaining protection on Monday afternoon, the Saints will be able to make more pickups sooner rather than later.
New Orleans Saints fans went into the first round of the 2021 NFL draft with high expectations — owing to multiple reports that the team was exploring a bold trade up from No. 28 and into the top 10 selections, targeting a non-quarterback. The Saints ultimately didn’t make that move, though, and it’s because the cost was just too high for them to rationalize. SI.com’s Albert Breer reports that it would have taken three first rounders to vault up the draft board:
“The Saints sniffed around on trading up for one of the draft’s top corners. My sense is they were bargain-shopping a little (I heard from a couple of teams that they weren’t going to put a third first-rounder on the table to jump from No. 28), which is why they were never particularly close on a deal. But had they gone up, I’m told they liked both Alabama’s Patrick Surtain II and South Carolina’s Horn, either of whom would have given them some flexibility with Marshon Lattimore (both the contract and his legal situation).”
That lines up with previous reports that the Denver Broncos wanted the Saints to spend multiple first and second round picks on a jump from No. 28 to 10, and it’s easy to see why New Orleans balked at that. Such a cost would have decapitated their next two draft classes and forced an all-in push to win a Super Bowl in 2021, which runs against the moves the Saints have made so far in bringing in low-cost, high-upside free agents while stockpiling compensatory draft picks and signing Jameis Winston to a prove-it deal.
It just wouldn’t have made any sense, which is why the Saints didn’t pull the trigger on such a move. While Horn or Surtain would have given them a lockdown option opposite Lattimore, punting on the next two draft classes (having given up Nos. 28 and 60 this year, plus first rounders in 2022 and 2023) wasn’t worth it.
We’ll see what their next moves include. They were able to add a great prospect in Paulson Adebo to compete for a starting job right away, but don’t be shocked if the Saints bring in an experienced free agent to avoid rushing Adebo into action too quickly. With the 2022 comp picks gaining protection on Monday afternoon, the Saints will be able to make more pickups sooner rather than later.
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:45 am to GMoney2600
I would have rather traded back into the early 2nd and tried to get another 1 or 2 for next year. maybe they tried and had no takers. But that would be what I wanted. You still could have gotten Turner.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:49 am to bayou85
Hindsight is a hell of a drug eh?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:53 am to DaRagingTiger
We don't even know if Turner would've been there if they traded back. There was a run on edge guys after the Saints pick and it's quite possible he would've gone during that run.
He might not pan out but we'll never know if he would've been available in the second round or not.
He might not pan out but we'll never know if he would've been available in the second round or not.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:55 am to bayou85
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You still could have gotten Turner.
3 more DE went in the first round after him, and another 3 in the 2nd. There is no way you can think this so confidentially, even with the hindsight of knowing how the rest of the draft played out.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:57 am to DaRagingTiger
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Hindsight is a hell of a drug eh?
Not really. He was late 2nd in most "experts" eyes. No guarantee he'd be there. But chance he would.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 9:58 am to burdman
I agree with you. It’s an unknown pick, so only time will tell. Hate when people retrospectively look back and say “Oh we could’ve traded our 1st and gotten him in the 2nd.” If you like a player and you have a vision you get him. Same applies to colleges when getting recruits that might not be a 5* (Kiper/247/Rivals are the same imo)
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:01 am to bayou85
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I would have rather traded back into the early 2nd and tried to get another 1 or 2 for next year. maybe they tried and had no takers. But that would be what I wanted. You still could have gotten Turner.
Depends on what their board looked like. If Turner was one of their 16 with a first round grade then no, you happily take him. If you're past the 16 and everyone is closely grouped, then sure trade back.
Frankly i'm just proud of them for not going YOLO for one of the cornerbacks.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:03 am to LNCHBOX
I didn’t say I was confident. But just based on where people had him. He was seen as late 2nd and at least 1 had him past 100.
ETA: I don’t hate the pick. They seem to have really wanted him.
ETA: I don’t hate the pick. They seem to have really wanted him.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:06 am to bayou85
If only one day a team would release their draft board to compare with “The draft experts.”
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:09 am to DaRagingTiger
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If only one day a team would release their draft board to compare with “The draft experts.”
I would love to be in a war room just to hear what people say compared to Kiper and McShay.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:25 am to HollierThanThou
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Depends on what their board looked like. If Turner was one of their 16 with a first round grade then no, you happily take him. If you're past the 16 and everyone is closely grouped, then sure trade back.
Frankly i'm just proud of them for not going YOLO for one of the cornerbacks
Good points.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:33 am to GMoney2600
Just sucks that they put themselves in this situation.
I still don't understand why they didn't sign jackrabbit to a different contract. They could've spread the money out more.
I still don't understand why they didn't sign jackrabbit to a different contract. They could've spread the money out more.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 10:57 am to bayou85
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But just based on where people had him
Who gives a frick? Where were all the others that went after him?
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He was seen as late 2nd and at least 1 had him past 100.
Again, who cares? You saw a run on his position immediately after we took him. I just can't understand everyone acting like it was realistic he'd be there for us to take in round 2.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:07 am to LNCHBOX
You either trust your scouting department or you don’t. Nobody is 100% but if they had him pegged as the highest grade left...you got to go with it. They get paid to assess these things.
I’m always wary of group think. The group think was this is a bad pick, but if it works out, you’re genius.
I’m always wary of group think. The group think was this is a bad pick, but if it works out, you’re genius.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 11:34 am to GMoney2600
SP would have traded into the top 10 and then probably taken Turner so it's best this didn't happen..
Posted on 5/4/21 at 1:34 pm to bayou85
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He was seen as late 2nd and at least 1 had him past 100.
By writers, not teams. By all accounts, most teams had him in the 20-40 range, a run on DEs tells me enough that there's a high chance he would not have lasted
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:00 pm to Chalkywhite84
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I still don't understand why they didn't sign jackrabbit to a different contract. They could've spread the money out more.
I was thinking about that was well and the only conclusion i came to was he didnt want to and the Saints said Bye
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:45 pm to Sauce Castieaux
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was thinking about that was well and the only conclusion i came to was he didnt want to and the Saints said Bye
No, I'm talking about before this year. When he actually signed the contract. They structured it in this way.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:47 pm to GMoney2600
Supposedly the saints tried to trade up before the pats pick but no one was willing to move.
They were trying to take mac jones.
This is after they tried to trade into the top 10 for a corner.
They were trying to take mac jones.
This is after they tried to trade into the top 10 for a corner.
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