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Saints restructure Lutz/Onyemata, sign JT Gray 2yr/$4m
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:27 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:27 am
quote:Also restructured Lutz on 3/4.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Saints made a few moves, with sources saying they agreed on a 2-year deal with safety and special teamer JT Gray, giving the would-be RFA a deal worth $4M with $2M guaranteed. They also did a simple restructure on DT David Onyemata’s contract, creating $4.34M in cap space.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
More cap moves for the #Saints, as the march continues: They restructured kicker Wil Lutz’s contract to create $1.74M in salary cap space, source said.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 7:07 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:40 am to different arse
Making room for Wilson lol
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 7:41 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:30 am to different arse
These are the moves that we've made so far this off-season...
-Lowered Brees' 2021 cap # from 36.15 mil to 12.225 mil. Created 23.925 mil in cap space.
-Cut Nick Easton who had a 2021 cap # of 7.0 mil & only took a dead money hit of 1.0 mil. Created 6.0 mil in cap space.
-Signed DE Noah Spence to a 1 year contract. His 2021 cap # is 850 k.
-Restructured David Onyemata's contract & lowered his 2021 cap # from 10.0 mil to 5.66 mil. Created 4.34 mil in cap space.
-Signed JT Gray to a 2 year, 4.0 mil contract. His 2021 cap # hasn't been released yet, but it should be pretty low. Somewhere between 1.0 mil & 2.0 mil imo.
We've only made 5 moves, but our FO is off to a flawless start so far. We've signed 2 players for very low 2021 cap #'s. With the other 3 moves...we've created 34.265 mil in cap space.
Can't complain. So far so good. CSP & Loomis making things happen, & things should get very interesting over the next couple of weeks since we have to get under the salary cap. The last couple of months have been very boring around here, but that's about to change very fast.
-Lowered Brees' 2021 cap # from 36.15 mil to 12.225 mil. Created 23.925 mil in cap space.
-Cut Nick Easton who had a 2021 cap # of 7.0 mil & only took a dead money hit of 1.0 mil. Created 6.0 mil in cap space.
-Signed DE Noah Spence to a 1 year contract. His 2021 cap # is 850 k.
-Restructured David Onyemata's contract & lowered his 2021 cap # from 10.0 mil to 5.66 mil. Created 4.34 mil in cap space.
-Signed JT Gray to a 2 year, 4.0 mil contract. His 2021 cap # hasn't been released yet, but it should be pretty low. Somewhere between 1.0 mil & 2.0 mil imo.
We've only made 5 moves, but our FO is off to a flawless start so far. We've signed 2 players for very low 2021 cap #'s. With the other 3 moves...we've created 34.265 mil in cap space.
Can't complain. So far so good. CSP & Loomis making things happen, & things should get very interesting over the next couple of weeks since we have to get under the salary cap. The last couple of months have been very boring around here, but that's about to change very fast.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:39 am to GMoney2600
Cutting Kwon is a given, just a matter if we'll get him to resign or do a complete restructure of a contract given his injury.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:42 am to Chad504boy
Yep. Kwon might play here next year, but it sure as hell won't be for the contract that he currently has.
He's a good player when healthy, but there's no way we can afford to keep him with a cap # of 13.2 mil. Hopefully it works out with him.
He's a good player when healthy, but there's no way we can afford to keep him with a cap # of 13.2 mil. Hopefully it works out with him.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:47 am to GMoney2600
How can we get into positive cap space and get new players to come in or really isn't going to be most of the same? I'm not entirely sure how NFL cap works.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:49 am to BallHawk
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How can we get into positive cap space and get new players to come in or really isn't going to be most of the same? I'm not entirely sure how NFL cap works.
getting down is the hard part.
signing a couple with lower cap hits is semi easy.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:49 am to GMoney2600
We started off having to clear around 95 mil in cap space at the start of the off-season. So far we've created around 34 mil, so we still have around 61 mil to go.
That number of 61 mil should go up a little as we sign other players, but I doubt we make any big signings until we get under the salary cap. Generally speaking...we've already created about 33% of our end goal with only 3 moves. Not bad.
That number of 61 mil should go up a little as we sign other players, but I doubt we make any big signings until we get under the salary cap. Generally speaking...we've already created about 33% of our end goal with only 3 moves. Not bad.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:50 am to GMoney2600
Is all of brees' money cooked in your number?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:54 am to Chad504boy
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getting down is the hard part.
signing a couple with lower cap hits is semi easy.
Pretty much. We're going to have to only sign players that have very low cap #'s while we create around 60 mil in cap space.
Even after we reach $0.00 in available cap space...we're still going to have to cut, restructure, or extend more players. That's the only way we can afford to sign players with decent or big cap #'s.
It's going to be fun to watch CSP & Loomis do this, but that should generally be the way that they go about finalizing the 2021 roster before the draft.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:59 am to msstate7
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Is all of brees' money cooked in your number?
Yep. Here's Brees' contract LINK
We added cap hits of 5.75 mil in 2022 & 2023 to make this happen. I actually hope Brees plays in 2021, b/c we would only save a little over 1.0 mil if he retires. Brees isn't anywhere near the QB that he used to be, but he's easily worth keeping for a cap # of 12.225 mil...if the alternative is taking a dead money hit of 11.15 mil & him retiring.
12.225 mil is absurd for Brees (even if he's an old man now). Taysom makes about 4.0 mil more than that...sadly enough.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:00 am to GMoney2600
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Taysom makes about 4.0 mil more than that...sadly enough.
fight
me
lol
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:02 am to Chad504boy
I know you love Taysom, but you have to admit that 16 mil is a little too much.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:20 am to GMoney2600
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but you have to admit that 16 mil is a little too much.
Not if he's being given a chance to start this year.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:23 am to Chad504boy
If he starts & performs well, then he's easily worth it.
He hasn't proven that he's worth that much money yet though. I'm a Taysom fan, but he needs to stop turning the ball over so much for that to happen imo.
He hasn't proven that he's worth that much money yet though. I'm a Taysom fan, but he needs to stop turning the ball over so much for that to happen imo.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:26 am to GMoney2600
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He hasn't proven that he's worth that much money yet though. I'm a Taysom fan, but he needs to stop turning the ball over so much for that to happen imo.
i agree about the fumbles. past that, i was mildly disappointed in Payton's scheme and usage with Taysom. Hope they figure each other out but i think there was a lot to like about Taysom.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:36 am to BallHawk
During this part of the season, the contracts can technically be held by the league office and not official until xx date. That signs the player with the team, but if the team doesn't get below the cap by 3/17, then those players contracts are voided.
Also, only the top 51 count towards the cap until sometime in the summer. That means, those $850k cap hits, only could about $190k against the cap because they are replacing some of the guys making $660k.
Also, only the top 51 count towards the cap until sometime in the summer. That means, those $850k cap hits, only could about $190k against the cap because they are replacing some of the guys making $660k.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:17 pm to GMoney2600
Thanks. There aren't a lot of places you can go on the web that are really in tune with the Saints salary cap situation.
According to most we are up s*** creek.
According to most we are up s*** creek.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:21 pm to different arse
Good. I was worried they'd offer DO as trade bait for RW. He's hitting his stride and will be dominant for years to come.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:27 pm to LooseCannon22282
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Thanks. There aren't a lot of places you can go on the web that are really in tune with the Saints salary cap situation.
According to most we are up s*** creek.
I just found a pretty good article that is more accurate than my posts in this thread.
LINK Updated Saints salary cap space outlook after recent roster moves
The day is still young but the New Orleans Saints are hard at work in reaching salary cap compliance ahead of free agency. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported a contract extension with safety J.T. Gray and a restructure from defensive tackle David Onyemata on Wednesday, which followed the re-signing of defensive end Noah Spence earlier this week. So where do the Saints stand against the salary cap now?
It’s still not good, but it’s not as bad as where they started. Right now, I have the Saints with more than $66.72 million to chip away before they’ll be under the salary cap. Here’s how I arrived at that number.
Previous moves — a pay cut from Drew Brees and the release of guard Nick Easton — combined to create $29.8 million in savings. Additionally, the Saints rolled over $4.1 million in unspent cap space from 2020. The NFL and the players union agreed to set the 2021 salary cap no lower than $180 million, which combines with that rollover to create a goal of $184.1 million for New Orleans.
Gray’s contract reportedly includes $2 million in guarantees, which should be a single hit against this year’s salary cap. But the details on his contract structure are unclear just yet, so that could be slightly different; for example, if it’s a $2 million signing bonus, then he carries cap hits of just $1 million in both 2021 and 2022. Stay tuned for clarity on that.
The other numbers are more clear. Onyemata’s restructure creates $4.34 million in cap space. Spence qualifies for the veteran’s minimum salary benefit, making a cap hit of just $850,000 that pushes a less-valuable contract beneath the top-51 threshold. Tack on the $1.29 million in dead money from past deals New Orleans has on the books, per Over The Cap, and you end up with $250.82 million in cap commitments.
Subtract that $250,822,650 in commitments (to be exact) from the $184,100,000 Saints-specific salary cap and you end up with $66,722,650 in negative cap space. Not bad, not terrible. Certainly more manageable than the $101 million we started with. But it’s obvious the Saints have more work ahead of them.
That means more simple restructures like the one Onyemata agreed to. Candidates to watch out for are players whose contracts feature high base salaries that can be converted to signing bonuses, like defensive end Cameron Jordan ($11.9 million) and wide receiver Michael Thomas ($12.6 million).
Others like cornerback Janoris Jenkins ($10 million) and guard Andrus Peat ($9 million) are viable, too, but the problem with restructures is that it’s tougher to get out of those contracts later. Older corners like Jenkins could fall off, and Peat’s injury history is daunting. Linebacker Kwon Alexander has a $12.55 million base salary but can’t be released while recovering from his Achilles injury.
Another option: signing extensions that include signing bonuses anyway. This can keep core players like left tackle Terron Armstead ($10.15 million base salary) and right tackle Ryan Ramczyk ($11.06 million) as well as cornerback Marshon Lattimore ($10.24 million) around for the future while providing cap relief now. You just have to be sure those are building-blocks you can rely on playing like All-Pros for two or three years, if not longer.
And there will be cap cuts, though New Orleans probably wants to try trading players when they can to recoup a draft pick in the process. Nose tackle Malcolm Brown has already popped up in trade talks (which would save almost $4.9 million). Other middle-class players like punter Thomas Morstead ($2.5 million if released) and cornerback Patrick Robinson ($2.6 million if cut) could be moved, too.
The next few weeks will be hectic as the Saints hurry to get under the salary cap before legal tampering begins with free agents on March 15. Check this space often to keep up to date.
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