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re: Saints are leading the charge with "adding a voided year" RE: Cook's Contract
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:14 pm to bonethug0180
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:14 pm to bonethug0180
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I think Derek Newton is currently our 3rd OT (not counting Peat) and we keep 4 usually. That should be pretty scary.
We have Ola as well, but that doesn't really change anything imo. Definitely need a legit backup OT.
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:17 pm to bonethug0180
quote:The difference is the player that Cook's salary would replace on the cap. Not all players count against the cap (only the top 51 I believe), so the player at the bottom of that group would fall off and Cook would replace that player in the calculation. So, the $4,000,000 is netted against the lowest player (maybe $500,000 or so).
Curious to know but not a big deal, OTC shows us with half a mil less ($9.9 mil) if you factor in the $4 mil for Cook (and adding Cook, both sites have at 60 so not a missing player). Wonder what the discrepancy is. Maybe OTC has the rookie pool factored in?
Also yeah with the way they are doing to contracts, it's more than what I thought we'd have (didn't expect Teddy's to be spread, nor Cook's). The $2-3 mil first year hits were expected as that seems like a Loomis MO.
So with about $4-5 mil to play with (needing to hold about $5-6 mil in reserve for the start of the season), I wonder if we'll target 2 more mid level FAs before the draft.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:18 pm to GMoney2600
Yeah forgot we resigned Ola. And yeah still very shaky ground.
Definitely need a long term prospect in the fold.
Definitely need a long term prospect in the fold.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:20 pm to bonethug0180
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Definitely need a long term prospect in the fold.
like nate wozniak?
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:22 pm to NOSHAU
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The difference is the player that Cook's salary would replace on the cap. Not all players count against the cap (only the top 51 I believe), so the player at the bottom of that group would fall off and Cook would replace that player in the calculation. So, the $4,000,000 is netted against the lowest player (maybe $500,000 or so).
Don't know why I always forget to account for this.
And yeah offseason it's top 51. That's why you have to keep $1 mil in reserve for the start of the season when the 52nd and 53rd players come on the books.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:24 pm to Chad504boy
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like nate wozniak?
Didn’t they move him to TE? Or was is vice versa?
If he was moved to OT I still think we need a more legit long term prospect.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:25 pm to bonethug0180
i want to say he was a TE and trying to turn OT. Can't remember... in any case, i'm still pissed about that FL St a-hole pick that amounted to shite in the wind.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:25 pm to Chad504boy
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like nate wozniak?
Technically, he's a long term prospect. I don't think he'll be ready this year though. He's only a year removed from switching from TE to OT. His body might not even be ready for OT yet. He had to put on a lot of muscle/weight, & learn a completely different position. One thing is for sure...he easily has the frame for OT.
If he ended up working out...I always thought it would take at least 2-3 years. If he's ready this year, that would be a hell of an accomplishment. Talk about developing fast.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:38 pm to bonethug0180
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Don't need more interior guys.
I don't think we sign a vet F.A. on the interior, but I'd be surprised if we didn't draft one. Too many legit prospects in the late rounds not to. I think RB, LB, & Safety are some other late round positions to target, b/c we actually have the roster space at those positions. I'd be shocked if we didn't draft a RB in the late rounds, yet again.
I agree about remaining free agent targets...OT, DE, & slot CB.
I don't think #6 WR is a big need to target, but I wouldn't be surprised if we brought Dez back for cheap. I'd take Tre Boston (#3 Safety) all day if we can get him for a discount as well. He might lack in run support, but he's great in pass coverage. We're great at stopping the run, but we can always use some extra help in pass coverage.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:01 pm to GMoney2600
I think they def try and bring dez back after a work out
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:13 pm to Chalkywhite84
I think that would depend on whether we draft someone especially in round 2 + if neither Smith/Kirkwood step up in training camp + Meredith still isnt right + an injury + Cook struggling to adjust to this offense.
It would take IMO a combination of a few of those factors and how they play out before the Saints even kick the tires on Dez again to be honest.
It would take IMO a combination of a few of those factors and how they play out before the Saints even kick the tires on Dez again to be honest.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:26 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
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Tells us about how our organization changed. We went from overpaying shitty free agents, to guys wanting to come here and taking reasonable deals that doesn't hurt the teams cap.
Winning and having a young core surrounding the GOAT QB
Posted on 3/29/19 at 8:30 pm to partywiththelombardi
quote:
Ziggy Ansah - DE
Ndamukong Suh - DT
Eric Berry - S
Zach Brown - LB
PJ Williams - CB
TJ Lang - OG
Timmy Jernigan - DT
Tre Boston - S
CJ Anderson - RB
Glover Quin - S
Mante Teo - LB
Quinton Spain - OG
Austin Seferian Jenkins - TE
Jay Ajayi - RB
Alex Collins - RB
Jaquizz Rodgers - RB
Maxx Williams - TE
Benson Mayowa - DE
Which of these should the Saints try to sign? Would like them to try to get an OG, S, CB, and maybe another DT. If they could arrange it, then they could trade all draft picks this year for picks in next years draft.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 5:08 am to djmicrobe
quote:realistically your best hope if we are still in the market for players would be 1 splash signing + a lower tier guy + then rely on draft picks
Which of these should the Saints try to sign?
Ziggy or Boston
are 2 players who could fill needs IMO. Safety is too physical a position IMO to only have 2 starting caliber players there.
that plus bringing back PJ will eliminate any needs at CB.
leaving us with OL depth + whichever position was not signed as the only glaring draft holes we have DE/S.
LB depth can be filled with some late cut addition IMO that happens every year for around league minimum.
RB3 could be found late in the draft potentially
DT is passable till Rankins returns with the additions of Brown/Edwards
BPA could make us shift our draft approach however. WR is stacked this season with guys who project to be highly rated that may fall to us. While WR isnt a need. It is a position we could stand to improve upon.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:07 am to partywiththelombardi
Saints don't even really use a rb3.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:09 am to Chalkywhite84
I didn't know Armstead s cap hit Is 15 mil this year.
I'm starting to think they need to try and get a tackle but the 62nd pick prob won't cut it.
I'd probably go defense if they can't trade up for a lineman
I'm starting to think they need to try and get a tackle but the 62nd pick prob won't cut it.
I'd probably go defense if they can't trade up for a lineman
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:30 am to Chalkywhite84
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Saints don't even really use a rb3
Not when we had Mark Ingram/Kamara
However before that stables were a pretty consistent fixture in Sean Payton's offense
Thomas/Bush/Bell
Thomas/Bush/Ivory
Thomas/Sproles/Ivory/Ingram
Thomas/Ingram/Robinson
Ingram/Hightower/Robinson
Even if we have no plans to use a RB3 we should definitely have a quality option on standby. RBs are not known for longevity or their inability to get nicked.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:46 am to Chalkywhite84
Yeah people keep talking about a 3rd safety or HB or a 6th WR but the much more pressing need is another OT, ESPECIALLY given Armstead's health history.
It may not be as immediate a need as another pass rusher (you don't want only 2 going into the season), but it is a bigger need for the short (Armstead injuries) and long term (Armstead injuries and salary) imo.
It may not be as immediate a need as another pass rusher (you don't want only 2 going into the season), but it is a bigger need for the short (Armstead injuries) and long term (Armstead injuries and salary) imo.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/30/19 at 10:54 am to partywiththelombardi
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Thomas/Bush/Bell
Thomas/Bush/Ivory
Thomas/Sproles/Ivory/Ingram
Thomas/Ingram/Robinson
Ingram/Hightower/Robinson
Bush and Sproles were used more as pass catchers than running backs in our offense. Kamara is a legit runner and is used fairly equally in both roles.
Murray basically takes over the roles of Ingram/Thomas as a primary runner and Bell/Ivory/Robinson as a hammer back.
I do agree about the injury aspect, but like safety/lb/qb/wr/te/de/dt/ot//fb/cb it's the same scenario.
Interior OL is the only place we have legit depth if a main guy goes down. The rest you might have one guy for several position or no real alter alternative (like if Cook goes down).
You can't build the roster off of what ifs. The current needs are OT and DE, with maybe another CB (Crawley is the only "legit" backup and doesn't play slot). The rest are luxuries.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 11:10 am to bonethug0180
I didnt say "build" I said late pick as in take a flier with a low end selection. Outside of Boston Scott last year plenty of teams have had success with latter round selections at RB.
I wasnt saying invest a 2nd or even the 5th. I was saying throw some fricking darts.
I wasnt saying invest a 2nd or even the 5th. I was saying throw some fricking darts.
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