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Panthers claim Cam Newton was poked in the eye
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:02 pm
quote:Posted by PFT PFTon January 7, 2018, 9:50 PM EST
Panthers quarterback Cam Newton took a hit to the head with less than 10 minutes to play in Sunday’s loss to the Saints. While walking to the sideline, he stopped and went to a knee. After spending some time on the field, Newton went to the sideline.
He missed one play (a third-down that was unsuccessful and led to a punt) before returning on the next drive.
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So what happened? He received a concussion evaluation in the medical tent, but he was quickly cleared to return.
“We are in contact now with the Panthers’ medical staff and we will not comment further until those conversations are completed,” the NFL said in a statement issued on Sunday night.
The Panthers offered an alternative explanation to the possibility that Newton suffered a concussion.
“He actually got poked in the eye,” coach Ron Rivera told reporters after the game. “They took him in there as a precautionary [measure] just to make sure, but when he was sitting on the ground, they were trying to wipe whatever when he got popped. So that’s what that was.”
If that’s what it was, then there was no need for a concussion evaluation in the medical tent. And if there was need for a concussion evaluation at all, the fact that Newton ended up on the ground means — based on a changes to the protocol announced late last month by the NFL and the NFL Players Association — that he should have been taken to the locker room for an evaluation.
The new procedures, according to the joint statement, “[r]equire a locker room concussion evaluation for all players demonstrating gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).” The language has no exception for eye pokes or other head injuries that aren’t brain injuries.
For the play resulting in the injury, the broadcast footage shows Newton spin away from one Saints player. Before Newton can straighten himself out, Newton takes a chest to the helmet. He then lays on the his left side with his right arm in a fixed position, motionless for a second or two. As teammates help him up, Newton squints with his left eye, then with his right.
Next comes Newton’s inability to walk off the field. He takes a knee, and then he takes a seat. After removing his helmet, he blinks his eyes but he never rubs them or otherwise behaves the way most would when actually poked in the eye. Instead, he sits there, periodically blinking either eye, with no clear sign of trauma to either of them. (Minutes later, he’s seen holding a towel over his right eye.)
And, yes, it’s hard to understand how he was poked in the eye at all, given that he wears a plastic eye shield inside his face mask.
Based on the things that happened in the immediate aftermath of the hit, and in light of the recent changes to the policy, Newton’s behavior was enough to compel a locker-room concussion evaluation — especially if the league’s routinely-stated concerns for player safety causes the league to resolve any doubt in favor of ensuring that the player is fit to continue.
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But here’s the problem the NFL faces in playoff games that have progressed to crunch time. By being excessively (and appropriately) concerned about key players who possibly suffered head injuries in those moments, there’s a chance that a key player will be kept from playing for 10 or 15 minutes of real time while he undergoes a locker-room evaluation, only to eventually be cleared.
Without Newton, the Panthers wouldn’t have cut the New Orleans lead from 31-19 to 31-26. Without Newton, the Panthers wouldn’t have had a chance to drive the field and win the game in the final minute. And if Newton eventually had emerged from the locker room without a concussion, someone would have argued that an overly cautious doctor or trainer or whoever directly affected the outcome of a playoff game.
That’s why, no matter what the league does to create the impression for parents, pundits, and politicians that the game is safe, key players in key moments will be more likely to be allowed to assume the full range of risks that comes from playing football — including but not limited to the risk of suffering a concussion, and then suffering another only minutes later.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:18 pm to Mrwhodat
I thought the visor bent back and poked his eye on the hit. It happened so fast there's no way someone was able to purposely poke his eye. Not like it was in the bottom of a pile.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:24 pm to TigerChief10
I don't think the visor hit his eye at all. I think he got straight-out rocked, and both he and the Panthers figured they had zero chance with Derek Anderson.
This is the type of hit that causes the injuries the NFL is going apeshit over. It's not the obvious ones, it's plays like this, and then going back in and continuing to play.
This is the type of hit that causes the injuries the NFL is going apeshit over. It's not the obvious ones, it's plays like this, and then going back in and continuing to play.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:25 pm to Scoob
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think he got straight-out rocked
Think?
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:35 pm to TigerChief10
I think he probably got a good bit of that black rubber stuff on the turf in his eye.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:35 pm to Mrwhodat
He had his hand in his mask and a Saints player was getting up and push off on his hand. It was not on purpose.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:39 pm to Mrwhodat
so basically more of the same with him when the going gets tough
Posted on 1/7/18 at 10:54 pm to Mrwhodat
Cam Newton said post-game that his helmet got pushed down over his eye. The version in the OP is the 3rd different explanation I’ve heard for what happened. And yet nobody can seem to find any footage from multiple camera angles of anything injuring Cam’s eye.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:01 pm to Undertow
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:14 pm to Mrwhodat
Yeah, right! That's why he went down as he attempted to come off the field. His eye hurt too much....
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:32 pm to TG
I was confused on why he would go down before getting to the sideline, knowing by rule he wouldn't be able to go back in on the following play.
He either didn't want to go back in.
Really had a concussion.
Or knew he wasn't going back in and didn't want to burn a timeout.
He either didn't want to go back in.
Really had a concussion.
Or knew he wasn't going back in and didn't want to burn a timeout.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 11:38 pm to TigerChief10
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I thought the visor bent back and poked his eye on the hit.
That's what Chris Myers reported. I initially thought a rubber pellet from the field got in his eye.
Either way, nothing intentional happened to him.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:50 am to nvasil1
They were making fun of that on Sirius NFL radio today . Basically said thAt was bullshite
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:09 am to TigerChief10
It's still weird. When he was laying on the ground he is reaching for his left eye but then he had ice on his right eye when they showed him later sitting on the bench.
Plus Cam even said his self:
"It felt like I got pulled in the eye but then I remembered that I wear a visor".
He didn't look wobbly when he was running off the field but I still think they were trying to avoid the concussion protocol.
Plus Cam even said his self:
"It felt like I got pulled in the eye but then I remembered that I wear a visor".
He didn't look wobbly when he was running off the field but I still think they were trying to avoid the concussion protocol.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:21 am to Mrwhodat
The report during they game was that his eye shield,that is there to prevent him from getting poked in the eye, was pushed into his eye on the hit.
It was a clean play and the big physical QB got hit hard. He should have been taken out for concision protocal but wasn’t. The only ones cheating are the Panthers.
It was a clean play and the big physical QB got hit hard. He should have been taken out for concision protocal but wasn’t. The only ones cheating are the Panthers.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:26 am to DaBike
Total scam because he suffered total embarassment on that grilling.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:48 am to Mrwhodat
Does this shite even surprise people anymore? Just another gross misapplication of the rules.
Where was the NFL official? I thought they had one on each sideline monitoring this? Didn't the NFL official force Kamara to miss a series? Cam got rocked and then couldn't even walk and they let him just walk back on the field, no questions asked?
Where was the NFL official? I thought they had one on each sideline monitoring this? Didn't the NFL official force Kamara to miss a series? Cam got rocked and then couldn't even walk and they let him just walk back on the field, no questions asked?
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But here’s the problem the NFL faces in playoff games that have progressed to crunch time. By being excessively (and appropriately) concerned about key players who possibly suffered head injuries in those moments, there’s a chance that a key player will be kept from playing for 10 or 15 minutes of real time while he undergoes a locker-room evaluation, only to eventually be cleared.
Without Newton, the Panthers wouldn’t have cut the New Orleans lead from 31-19 to 31-26. Without Newton, the Panthers wouldn’t have had a chance to drive the field and win the game in the final minute. And if Newton eventually had emerged from the locker room without a concussion, someone would have argued that an overly cautious doctor or trainer or whoever directly affected the outcome of a playoff game.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:49 am to Undertow
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Cam Newton said post-game that his helmet got pushed down over his eye
This
Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:51 am to ultratiger89
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Cam Newton said post-game that his helmet got pushed down over his eye
This
It doesn't matter. This is discussion about the NFLs application of their own rules and the disgusting way they handle them.
The fact is that Cam got rocked, laid motionless for a few seconds, was slow to get up, and then couldn't walk off the field under his one power, and according to the NFL:
The new procedures, according to the joint statement, “[r]equire a locker room concussion evaluation for all players demonstrating gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).” The language has no exception for eye pokes or other head injuries that aren’t brain injuries.
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