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Nfl officials incompetent

Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
10678 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:46 pm
Missed a huge penalty on Seattle that prevents Minnesota score.
Posted by Spaulding Smails
Milano’s Bar
Member since Jun 2012
18805 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:55 pm to
Good, frick Minnesota
Posted by tibebecolston
Member since Mar 2013
4124 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:55 pm to
And the nose tackle was holding down the center.

Remember when Onyamata bumped the center In the first Falcon game?
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6138 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:55 pm to
I could see if they missed the call, but they threw the flag and then said no penalty.

Pure garbage.
Posted by DumpTruckerson
Member since Feb 2017
1470 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:05 pm to
They need to allow blatant missed calls to be reviewed/reversed. The “oh well we just missed it” is BS
Posted by Eternalmajin
Member since Jun 2008
13046 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:07 pm to
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could see if they missed the call, but they threw the flag and then said no penalty


That's the big thing for me. They didn't miss it, they threw the flag for it and then decided nah, frick Minnesota.
Posted by matsuflex
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
1523 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:10 pm to
Also was a missed obvious pass interference and face mask all going to the home team
Posted by Tigre Diablo
ETX
Member since Aug 2016
1662 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:21 pm to
It’s troubling watching how bad it’s getting every week. If you’re in a close game, you can bet it’s going to get swung by the refs with a few calls. Might as well flip a coin.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59558 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:25 pm to
Some of these good defenses, as deemed by the media, just mug the shite out of the offenses with PI every play and physical helmet to helmet hits. NFL let's it go more than 50 % of the time.
Posted by Mike Honcho
North Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
2917 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:29 pm to
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Also was a missed obvious pass interference and face mask all going to the home team


This is why we need the #1 seed. People wanting the #2 seed so they can take a trip to California need to wake up and realize that home field advantage is a thing and we want it.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32845 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 6:41 am to
I just want fair calls both ways. That Dallas game was pure BS. Thomas was getting mugged with no calls, yet WRs we’re running into Apple and he’d get a PI call against him.

With the refs getting full time gigs, I hope the calls become better. I could see the NFL starting to fine them and things like that in the future. Hell, they’ve already fired and suspended one this year.
Posted by GOON
Fantasy Land
Member since Mar 2008
7399 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:34 am to
Airline pilots incompetent

My last flight was a little bumpy on the landing.


Seriously, yes there are bad calls and they miss things. The missed call on the helmet to helmet on Kamara when the field judge was right there was inexcusable ... the missed facemask on Dak, giving the fumble recovery to the Cowboys this week instead of the Eagles, etc.

But the bottom line is that these are the best of the best. And officiating is a VERY tough job. Unless you've done it, you have no idea. It's very easy for us to criticize a "missed call" from our couches with the perfect camera angle that isn't bouncing up and down because we aren't running during the play.

I know it's frustrating when your team is impacted by officiating, but it's just part of the game. Officials are human, they make mistakes.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:35 am
Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
1870 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:23 am to
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It's very easy for us to criticize a "missed call" from our couches with the perfect camera angle


But they literally have the same camera angles we have

Nobody bitches about the close calls, the 50/50s. Here's what pisses people off:

- Missing a completely obvious one that the refs are looking directly at, like the Kamara hits
- Inconsistent enforcing of rules that change game-to-game, even from play-to-play. If a ref crew decides they're going to be really stingy with PIs, then fine, both teams have to adjust. But when one two CBs, one on each team, are both mugging a receiver the same way, but only one draws flags, it's BS. When the classic "Is it a catch and fumble, or incomplete pass" definition changes every game, it's frustrating.
- The fact that there's NO recourse for a horribly botched call. Refs don't get suspended. Teams don't get compensation for it later in the game. Teams just have to "live with it" when an objectively bad call causes them to lose. The "Oh well, that's football. Move on" line is such a pussy mentality. The complaints need to be loud and clear that this isn't what the fans want. And I wish more head coaches would call their asses out in post-game instead of playing politics and trying not to get fined. If a call was BS, call them out, apply some pressure, anything

Priority #1 should be for games to be decided by the play on the field. Penalties should be secondary, just a means to keep egregious penalties in check. I know nobody wants to extend games by adding more booth reviews, but I believe teams should get at least one challenge of a penalty per game. In addition, they need to rethink the current coach's challenge system because if you successfully win both your challenges, does it make sense you only get one more rewarded to you? Why do you have to pay for the refs getting so many calls wrong? And if you only win one of them, you're shite out of luck rest of the game? I think as long as you win a challenge, you should get it back.

While I'm ranting, I think they need to do away with the deference to the call on the field when reviewing replays. If a play is reviewed, then go with what it looks like on replay, not it has to be clear and convincing to overturn. The replay is almost always going to be a better resource than what the ref thinks he saw bang-bang live.
Posted by GOON
Fantasy Land
Member since Mar 2008
7399 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:32 pm to
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Neauxla_Tiger


I agree with almost everything you said.

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Missing a completely obvious one that the refs are looking directly at, like the Kamara hits


Agree 100%

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Inconsistent enforcing of rules that change game-to-game, even from play-to-play. If a ref crew decides they're going to be really stingy with PIs, then fine, both teams have to adjust. But when one two CBs, one on each team, are both mugging a receiver the same way, but only one draws flags, it's BS. When the classic "Is it a catch and fumble, or incomplete pass" definition changes every game, it's frustrating.


Agree 100%. Also, this is frustrating from an official's standpoint too. If the crew last week officiated a team incorrectly and my crew calls things appropriately this week, it hurts our credibility. The teams say things like "they allowed it last week". And we have to respond with something like, "well, I'm sorry about that, but they did it wrong. We have to officiate the rules the way we've been told to".

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The fact that there's NO recourse for a horribly botched call. Refs don't get suspended. Teams don't get compensation for it later in the game. Teams just have to "live with it" when an objectively bad call causes them to lose. The "Oh well, that's football. Move on" line is such a pussy mentality. The complaints need to be loud and clear that this isn't what the fans want. And I wish more head coaches would call their asses out in post-game instead of playing politics and trying not to get fined. If a call was BS, call them out, apply some pressure, anything




There is, but it's not something that benefits the teams/fans. The officials are graded each week and upgraded or downgraded based on the review. That will lead to whether or not they are in consideration for playoff assignments (which impacts their pay).

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Priority #1 should be for games to be decided by the play on the field. Penalties should be secondary, just a means to keep egregious penalties in check.


Agree completely.

Editing to add: I'm actually one of the trainers that teaches new officials how to officiate for my association. What I teach my students is only call 1 of 3 types of fouls 1) egregious unsportsmanlike acts, 2) Safety related fouls, and 3) fouls that cause a CLEAR unfair advantage to one team. If it isn't in one of those 3 categories, then pass on it and have a quick discussion with the player.

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I think they need to do away with the deference to the call on the field when reviewing replays. If a play is reviewed, then go with what it looks like on replay, not it has to be clear and convincing to overturn. The replay is almost always going to be a better resource than what the ref thinks he saw bang-bang live.


Agree again.

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But they literally have the same camera angles we have


This is the only thing I don't agree with, but if you've never officiated before, I'm not sure I can explain it. Just trust me, they often don't.

Also editing to add, I just realized you meant on replay. In this case, yes I agree. I meant they don't have the same angles we do during live ball play. The back judge isn't looking at that PI from a nice high angle camera with a clear view that's holding steady on a tripod. But when it comes to replay, yes, you are right. They have the same angles we do.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
1870 posts
Posted on 12/11/18 at 4:08 pm to
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Also, this is frustrating from an official's standpoint too. If the crew last week officiated a team incorrectly and my crew calls things appropriately this week, it hurts our credibility. The teams say things like "they allowed it last week". And we have to respond with something like, "well, I'm sorry about that, but they did it wrong. We have to officiate the rules the way we've been told to".


That's a good point. I think my gripe there is moreso with the league office's definitions and particularly with the rules that seem to change every year like what counts as a catch.

Most of my grief is stemming from LSU's troubles with the refs this season . It's so hard watching something you love be shite on by something you perceive to be unfair, but there's nothing anybody can do. Just grin and bear it.

Didn't realize you were a ref. I do respect that job and remark most weeks I don't envy being the one that has to make a tough call under that pressure. I'm sure it's annoying getting yelled at one day that you threw too many flags, then the next week you didn't throw enough. I try to be as impartial as I can when watching a replay for one of my teams and see it from both perspectives. That MT13 snag that got reviewed this week I would've been fine being ruled either way...was actually pretty surprised they gave us that one. But every now and then you get an LSU @ TAMU game that gets my blood boiling
Posted by GOON
Fantasy Land
Member since Mar 2008
7399 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:26 am to
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Didn't realize you were a ref. I do respect that job and remark most weeks I don't envy being the one that has to make a tough call under that pressure.


I appreciate that. It can be a VERY tough job, but I love it. It's one of the best things I've ever done. I get to be back on the football field and be a part of a game that I love. If anyone wishes they were still on the field, I would strongly recommend you consider officiating. It is very fun.

I'm a fan and an official. So I typically watch games from both perspectives. My brain just kinda switches back and forth. Sure, there are bad officials. Yes, even good officials make bad calls. But for the most part, they are all out there just trying to do the best job they can for the game they love. Again, I can't really fully explain how hard it is to be an official, but when I'm watching a game with other fans and they are complaining about an official missing a call, usually I can explain to the other fans why they "missed" the call. Either it wasn't big enough and didn't have a big enough effect on the play, or the flow of the play had the official blocked in some way from seeing the foul, or any number of a handful of other things.
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