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ghost2most
LA-Lafayette Fan
Member since Mar 2012
1270 posts

Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
If anything, this defense is the worst yet.

We made Minnesota look like fricking worldbeaters and they play Pitt and suck. Brady looks like shite against the Chiefs and has one of his best days ever against us.

How can we be worse? We lost Fairley and Breaux but seem to have upgraded elsewhere.

Kikaha/Okafor aren't very good but they're better than Krueger.

Klein has to be an upgrade to Laurinitis.
Lattimore is better than Crawley.

Do we actually miss fricking Byrd?

Allen is a really shitty coordinator is my conclusion.


Zach Lee To Amp Hill
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
2679 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
why not both?


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thermal9221
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
7941 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Safeties are bad
Playcalling has been getting burnt toast.
D Coordinator shite.


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chitiger91
Chicago Cubs Fan
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
1471 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
A bunch of backups (sans cam Jordan) playing undisciplined football its both.


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Zach Lee To Amp Hill
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
2679 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
I think Byrd was actually pretty good last year and covered up for Vaccaro's terribleness. He's an abysmal cover safety and Williams is a rookie so he can't really help him out too much.


Muriel
New Orleans Saints Fan
third ward
Member since Dec 2016
444 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
the remaining constant is Sean Payton, period. With a soft offense comes a soft defense in most cases.


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rantfan
New Orleans Saints Fan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
11268 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Both


saints5021
Southeastern LA Fan
Slidell
Member since Jul 2010
1670 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
I imagine it is Sean Payton's patented play 15 yards off the receiver and get checked down to death defense.


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Rand AlThor
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Jan 2014
5564 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
I think it's a combination. At this stage it is more scheme than lack of talent IMO. In the past it was definitely talent, but we've poured a shite ton of resources into the defense the last 4-5 years and I just don't believe that every single one of these guys sucks. They're not being coached right, they are being put into bad positions due to scheme, etc.


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blueslover
New Orleans Saints Fan
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22733 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Malcolm Jenkins and Akiem Hicks are great examples of talented players (ballin elsewhere) that they couldn't properly develop or use here. Kinda expecting the same for Vaccaro.

I don't see what made Allen a hot commodity. Payton's record minus GreGG Williams is now at .500. Can all of these coordinators be that crappy? Spagnulo and GreGG have both continued successful DC jobs. I'm wondering if it is on Payton. Does he not let them "do their job"? It has to be more than just bad luck picking coordinators to have so little success over that many years. All the more so when considering the free agent and draft stock capital that has been invested in the D.


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t00f
New Orleans Saints Fan
Eating square cut pizza in the zone
Member since Jul 2016
12292 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
too many players out of place, confusion, it's coaching.


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deuce985
LSU Fan
Member since Feb 2008
16136 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
No way anyone could convince me this team is devoid of talent on defense. Nobody is that bad at drafting considering every fricking year almost the entire draft is devoted to that side. It's coaching and scheme without question. How many DCs has Sean Payton been through here? We had 2 decent defenses and that's about it. The only constant is Payton. Allen is fricking awful for sure but at some point the HC has to be held accountable for well over 10 years of failure on the defense. I can about guarantee if we had a higher profile guy coaching this defense like Wade Phillips you'd see a top 15 defense with what they have now.


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The Sad Banana
Chicago Cubs Fan
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
88850 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
With the difference in personnel and the difference in coaching over the Payton era, all arrows point to one common denominator. It's not like Sean Payton isn't trying to fix the defense, it just hasn't happened.

And now they are a predictable, trick pony offense that only gets yards in garbage time when it's too late.

The star has faded.


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D011ahbi11
New York Yankees Fan
Member since Jun 2007
9887 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
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I think Byrd was actually pretty good last year



Then you are dumb as frick


keakar
Member since Jan 2017
1579 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
spot on, we don't have the best D in the league but we have all the talent needed to field a dominant defense.

the biggest issue here is allen needs to be removed, and before the next game even, but payton will keep him until forced at gun point to fire him just like the last group of bum coaches


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saintsfan22
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
40341 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Both. In our front 7 Cam is the only player who we can say with certainty wouldn't be just a rotational piece somewhere else.


moock blackjack
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2008
19761 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Talent is definitely not there!!!


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stelly1025
LSU Fan
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
1520 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Both.


tiger94gop
LSU Fan
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2398 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
Problem is SP doesn't care about the defense. The whole team's mindset is if we a just okay on D, then we win because of the O. You have already lost with that mindset. SP always wastes some picks on an offensive toy or the flashy DB. He has not shown a real desire to build from the inside out.


REG861
Vanderbilt Fan
Wellsville
Member since Oct 2011
31676 posts

re: Lack of talent on D or terrible scheme?
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Both.



Agreed. Look at the snap counts from yesterday. Almost zero rotation. Obviously CSP and Loomis are horrendous at evaluating defensive talent, but Allen is giving whoever we trot out there almost no chance of succeeding.


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