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re: Ivory vs. Ingram and other Saints RBs (Committed to the Running Game Edition?)
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:25 pm to saintsfan92612
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:25 pm to saintsfan92612
I suspect he'll have a good game against ATL.
They let a rookie RB run wild on them yesterday.
They let a rookie RB run wild on them yesterday.
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:38 pm to Suntiger
Each of those guys had what I call a freak game. Take out that game for each player, and then see where they stand.
That leaves the following:
Ivory - 89 carries, 328 yards, 3.7 ypc 1 TD
Thomas - 90 carries, 326 yards, 3.6 ypc 0 TD
Sproles - 34 carries, 118 yards, 3.5 ypc, 1 TD
Robinson - 26 carries, 118 yards, 3.6 ypc, 0 TD
Ingram - 27 carries for 75 yards, 2.8 ypc, O TD
So Ingram outside of the inflated stats from the Dallas game is worse than all the others with each players best game taken out.
That leaves the following:
Ivory - 89 carries, 328 yards, 3.7 ypc 1 TD
Thomas - 90 carries, 326 yards, 3.6 ypc 0 TD
Sproles - 34 carries, 118 yards, 3.5 ypc, 1 TD
Robinson - 26 carries, 118 yards, 3.6 ypc, 0 TD
Ingram - 27 carries for 75 yards, 2.8 ypc, O TD
So Ingram outside of the inflated stats from the Dallas game is worse than all the others with each players best game taken out.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:39 pm to Geauxgurt
WOW!!! You went really far out of your way to make Ingram look bad.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 3:43 pm to Suntiger
It's like the fire Les miles crowd..never happy....ill give props he has looked better
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:01 pm to Suntiger
quote:
WOW!!! You went really far out of your way to make Ingram look bad.
How did I go out of my way? I am not trying to make Ingram look bad. I am just trying to show how one game against a shitty defense can prop up all these players stats significantly.
Both PT and Ingram had their best game which came against Dallas removed. Ivory's game against the Saints removed.
The point is stats can tweaked any way you want, but the other 4 backs have been more consistent than Ingram.
Hell, look at Ingram versus PT yesterday if you take out each's big run (10 yards for PT and 15 for Ingram).
PT - 10 for 39 yards (3.9 YPC)
Ingram - 5 for 10 yards (2 YPC)
Even taking out Sproles' best run:
Sproles - 2 for 8 yards (4.5 YPC)
Ingram has had one good game and been mediocre to bad in every other game he's played this season. I hope his turn around is legit, but I am not holding my breath.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:04 pm to Geauxgurt
you're removing games and talking about how stats can be manipulated. A bit of a contradiction.Posted on 11/18/13 at 4:10 pm to Swagga
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you're removing games and talking about how stats can be manipulated. A bit of a contradiction.
Not at all. I am not denying I am manipulating the stats. I am clear as day stating I am doing it to get a better picture on how the players have performed outside of their best day.
Ingram has improved from the beginning of the year, but by how much isn't really known yet. his game against Dallas is promising until you realize how bad their defense was that game and that they were missing 2 of their top LBers including their defensive leader.
1 game can easily sway the stats for all of these guys given that none other than Ivory are getting a ton of carries per game.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:47 pm to Suntiger
Chris Ivory:
116 carries 502 yards 4.3 ypc 2 TDs (Long run 69 yards) 10 games (50.2ypg)
Mark Ingram:
50 carries 252 yards 5.0 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 34 yards)
3 rec 19 yrds 6.3 avg (9 long)
Pierre Thomas
117 carries 486 yards 4.2 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 18 yards)
56rec 406 yds 7.3avg 3 Tds (28 long)
Darren Sproles
38 carries 146 yards 3.8 ypc 2 Tds (Long run 18 yards)
48 rec 463 yds 9.6 avg 2 Tds (48 long)
Khiry Robinson
34 carries 150 yards 4.4 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 21 yards)
Jed Collins
8 carries 22 yards 2.8 ypc 1 TD (Long run 7 yards)
9 rec 42 yds 4.7 avg
Pierre is close to having a 1000 yard season. The only other time he broke 1000 was 2009.
Feed him more!
116 carries 502 yards 4.3 ypc 2 TDs (Long run 69 yards) 10 games (50.2ypg)
Mark Ingram:
50 carries 252 yards 5.0 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 34 yards)
3 rec 19 yrds 6.3 avg (9 long)
Pierre Thomas
117 carries 486 yards 4.2 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 18 yards)
56rec 406 yds 7.3avg 3 Tds (28 long)
Darren Sproles
38 carries 146 yards 3.8 ypc 2 Tds (Long run 18 yards)
48 rec 463 yds 9.6 avg 2 Tds (48 long)
Khiry Robinson
34 carries 150 yards 4.4 ypc 1 TDs (Long run 21 yards)
Jed Collins
8 carries 22 yards 2.8 ypc 1 TD (Long run 7 yards)
9 rec 42 yds 4.7 avg
Pierre is close to having a 1000 yard season. The only other time he broke 1000 was 2009.
Feed him more!
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:32 am to Sorrento Muddbugs
I updated the OP. Looks like we have pretty much given up on running the ball after CSP said he was committed to running the ball.
Also of interest, since the last update, Robinson and Jed have the same amount of carries the last three weeks.
Also of interest, since the last update, Robinson and Jed have the same amount of carries the last three weeks.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:36 am to Suntiger
When your Oline sucks you can't commit to anything. Personally I don't think Pierre Thomas is a 'feature' back anymore. He's great for screens and half a dozen or so carries but they should just go ahead and give it to Ingram 15+ times and see what he does.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 11:38 am
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