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ErikGordan
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
A $20M one year deal means Drew's salary cap hit is $41M. The Saints have less than $5M to spend on free agency and the draft. The Saints will have to restructure lots of contracts this off season or make personnel cuts to compensate Drew






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SirWinston
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
I’d honestly rather move on to Teddy for $16 million a year and I know that Teddy is not the answer.

Brees needed to hit than 3 yard slant to MT13 last year in the NFCCG and get us to another Super Bowl if he wanted us to sacrifice two more years with his ridiculous cap hits
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
Brees will get 26-28 easily....
Saints will cut Easton (4 million), Kiko (7.85 million), Jenkins (restructure more than likely) Patrick Robinson (3.65 million) MArio Edwards (2.76 million) Craig Robinson (1.75 million)

Saints may ask Armstead, Warford, Rankins to restructure as well


WhoDatNC
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
Pay him one last year.


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rubberneck
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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If Payton wants Brees....Brees will be here. Payton is as close to being Belichick with the Saints as any other coach in the league. He has a ton of leeway and will get what he wants



Payton doesn't have the last word. Mickey does. Granted, usually what Payton wants he gets, but he just got bested by one of the weaker opponents in the playoffs. If Mickey wants Drew gone, then that's the way it will be.


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rubberneck
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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Brees will get 26-28 easily....
Saints will cut Easton (4 million), Kiko (7.85 million), Jenkins (restructure more than likely) Patrick Robinson (3.65 million) MArio Edwards (2.76 million) Craig Robinson (1.75 million)

Saints may ask Armstead, Warford, Rankins to restructure as well


Rankins is on a fifth year option. You cut Easton, then we have not starting LG next year, so that's stupid. Kiko was playing great football, so you restructure him.


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St Augustine
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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have to agree. Not that Brees isn’t still good and he’s probably the best option for the Saints. But a wildcard loss at home to a mediocre Minnesota team and scoring only 20 points (mostly thanks to kick returns and Taysom Hill) tells me this team ain’t winning anything of significance with Brees again. The offense has put a combined 43 points in the last two playoff games in the Superdome. That’s 21.5 per game. That’s not getting you to a Super Bowl. But at this point I think it’s time to accept the post Brees era. Another one score loss on the last play of the game isn’t exactly progress. Yes the Saints will be worse off without Brees. But they aren’t getting any better with him


Solid post and I agree for the most part with everything said here.


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windshieldman
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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Brees will get 26-28 easily..


I think he'll sign in the mid 20s, I think if he wants another SB he should sign more around 20M. I know people say he should sign much less, like around 10M but that's not happening, especially from a player's rep like he is. I think he's still a good QB but he's been well compensated as a Saint, 20M isn't a slap in the face (but it may be to him, shite I don't know, haven't talked to him) and we can sign some good players still.


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50_Tiger
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
I see this thread has brought out the stat geeks again without providing any context whatsoever.

SP and the Saints have shown propensity to hold onto thing too fricking long (Joe Vitt) until it was actually Sean's job who was in question.

The opportunity cost of keeping Grandpaw Brees is losing roughly 1/4 of the great picks we made the last few years.



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moneyg
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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bingo. the eye test. plenty coaches can scheme around QB's weaknesses to give them good stats. brees is going downhill with abilities. it is obvious now. unless he gives huge hometown discount MOVE ON

time for a fresh start



When the Saints move on from Brees, you are in for a rude awakening. You are comparing Brees to his former self.

It's not going to be the best of times watching Brees' career wind down. But, it sure isn't going to be the worst of times.


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Fat Bastard
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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When the Saints move on from Brees, you are in for a rude awakening.


nah, i lived through everything pre-2009 going back to dick nolan which is the earliest i recall. I probably watched when hank stram was a head coach but do not recall seeing him. yes, i started watching NFL in basically kindergarten.

I have seen enough teams in NHL and MLB become regular season teams only. even all the regular season accolades gets old when you cannot get it done in the playoffs and changes are needed to build a team that can win in the playoffs. ya know what? let's give brees 100 million! f the team!


shel311
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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but that is almost what Rodgers is getting, and he not in the same stadium of Rodgers (in performance in playoffs, age, or just productivity)
He's in Rodgers territory in every one of those categories but age.

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What do you think he is worth, to bring back?
Go look at NFL salaries then come back and honestly explain how he's possibly NOT worth $28mil.

Hint: You won't be able to logically do it.


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shel311
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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Cut our losses and go into rebuild mode
Can you explain how you're going to do that with good players littered on both offense and defense?


50_Tiger
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
Genuine question to everyone:


Does Teddy/Taysom get last years team to 10 wins?




shel311
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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No way we should pay him this. Roll with teddy and less money. I love Brees but we aren’t winning with him taking up 30 million.
To make sure you understand all the logistics here, you go with Teddy, and you're getting what any sane person would agree is a lesser QB and it will be a MUCH bigger % of the cap going to the starting QB than if we paid Brees $30mil.

So you want a lesser QB with less money to build around him, that is exactly what you're arguing for.

Why?


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windshieldman
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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nah, i lived through everything pre-2009 going back to dick nolan which is the earliest i recall. I probably watched when hank stram was a head coach but do not recall seeing him. yes, i started watching NFL in basically kindergarten.

I have seen enough teams in NHL and MLB become regular season teams only. even all the regular season accolades gets old when you cannot get it done in the playoffs and changes are needed to build a team that can win in the playoffs. ya know what? let's give brees 100 million! f the team!


That’s a long heart felt post for someone in another thread saying “no fricks given” good job bud


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shel311
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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Genuine question to everyone:


Does Teddy/Taysom get last years team to 10 wins?
I think Teddy starting could have probably gotten us to 10 wins, yes.

I don't think we would have had any better of a shot(worse IMO) in the playoffs w/Teddy.

Tayson, I'd say no, but we obviously don't know for sure without having seen him play any meaningful QB.


50_Tiger
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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I think Teddy starting could have probably gotten us to 10 wins, yes.


I agree.

Which begs the question...

If outcomes are the same, why go with the more expensive and aging QB?


shel311
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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If outcomes are the same, why go with the more expensive and aging QB?


1. Because the offense and defense surrounding the QB is good enough to contend for a title. You have a window, I do not believe that window is closed. With that said, you take the best QB. That is very clearly Drew Brees over Teddy

2. Similarly to above knowing you have this window, you have to keep in mind that you're going to pay Teddy probably at the very least $20mil/year. That will equate to $41.3mil(again at least) of your cap tied to the starting QB with the Brees cap hit. Pay Brees $30mil/year, kick that down the road a bit more until it is actually time to rebuild and make your run now. I don't want the lesser QB with a higher cap hit to the position with how good the talent is on this team right now. Maximize our chance to win now is the mode we need to be in IMO. Brees had one bad game to end the season, it sucked. But you can't just act like that is 100% Brees and ignore how great he was in the regular season.
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50_Tiger
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re: Brees expecting 28-32M/yr, really?
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. Because the offense and defense surrounding the QB is good enough to contend for a title. You have a window, I do not believe that window is closed. With that said, you take the best QB. That is very clearly Drew Brees over Teddy

2. Similarly to above knowing you have this window, you have to keep in mind that you're going to pay Teddy probably at the very least $20mil/year. That will equate to $41.3mil(again at least) of your cap tied to the starting QB with the Brees cap hit. Pay Brees $30mil/year, kick that down the road a bit more until it is actually time to rebuild and make your run now. I don't want the lesser QB with a higher cap hit to the position with how good the talent is on this team right now. Maximize our chance to win now is the mode we need to be in IMO. Brees had one bad game to end the season, it sucked. But you can't just act like that is 100% Brees and ignore how great he was in the regular season.



While I do accept your argument let me offer a counter:


1) What if the offense and defense surrounding the QB is NOT good enough to contend (and by therefore, win) a title?

You are now stuck with a QB whom is in uncharted territory (age), whom has shown now that 16 games takes a toll on him (2018), and has come out relatively flat for all meaningful (playoff) games.

While I agree there's no way out of the 21m already scheduled, there are explicitly two fields of thought here:

A) Pay Drew FMV and spread that entire deal into the future at the opportunity cost of depth and meaningful upgrades (long term).

B) Release Drew, take the 21m hit now, sign another QB to a moderate term deal (to lessen the cap blow) and 1) maintain decent depth/starters , 2) Add meaningful pieces to the team to compete. Obviously here the opportunity cost is Drew and his experience to the team.

One option clearly puts the SAINTS in a corner that if they fail, they have no remedy for.


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