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re: anyone who argues on behalf of bushrod

Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:44 pm to
deuce had been average since 2003 he went into camp in '04 or '05 overweight and was never the same.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:45 pm to
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welp, there's not much solid evidence that brown was pnwed.
Now you are just being an idiot.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to
how so? at least provide me a bit of a recap that says freeney had a good night or something. now it's just your memory you have backing you up.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to
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deuce had been average since 2003
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to
you asked for serviceable and thats exactly what bushrod is....
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to
is this shite serously being debated?

This argument is dumb.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to
i'm pretty sure deuce never got above more than a 4.5 YPC or 1200 yards after '03. that is pretty much average.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to
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how so? at least provide me a bit of a recap that says freeney had a good night or something. now it's just your memory you have backing you up.
I suggest you go back and watch the game.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:49 pm to
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you asked for serviceable and thats exactly what bushrod is....


stinch is servicable, not bushrod.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:50 pm to
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stinch is good

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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:50 pm to
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stinch is servicable, not bushrod.
What do you base this on, exactly?
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:52 pm to
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What do you base this on, exactly?


I'm sure football outsiders has a % for it.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:52 pm to
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What do you base this on, exactly?


pressure/sacks allowed/help given.

stinch gets beaten but he rarely ever gets dominated. he's solid/servicable/okay.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:53 pm to
at least roaad is capable of debate, you are literally a child.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:53 pm to
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pressure/sacks allowed/help given.
He's a right tackle.

Why do we run to the left moreso than to the right?
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Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:55 pm to
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at least roaad is capable of debate, you are literally a child.


There's nothing to debate when you pull an opinion out of your arse.

NIH's theory: Bushrod isn't serviceable because he isn't as good as Brown. I have this one website's %'s. So its the troof.

Yeah dude.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:56 pm to
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He's a right tackle.

Why do we run to the left moreso than to the right?


maybe bushrod is a better run blocker? stinch isn't an exceptional run blocker but he's great in space when blocking for reggie on the outside. teams also move their best DEs all around the field. Carolina moves Peppers around to both DE slots just as Minnesota does with Allen.

Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:57 pm to
once again: (bushrod is coming in at about 10.6)

Here's the stats for Olinemen coming into this season. The figure is sacks+holding calls /16.

Jammal Brown comes out as a decent, but not franchise LT.

Arizona

Lt- Mike Gandy 12.54
Lg- Reggie Wells 8.37
C- Lyle Sendlein 3.04( only 18gs)
Rg- Deuce Lutui 11.4
Rt- Levi Brown 18.95
--------------------------------54.30
Atlanta Falcons

LT- Sam Baker- 16 (only 5gs)
LG- Justin Blalock 13.06
C- Todd McClure 3.63
RG- Harvey Dahl 6 (only 16gs)
RT- Tyson Clabo 7.99
-------------------------------------46.68
Carolina Panthers

LT- Jordan Gross 11.40
LG- Travelle Wharton 9.65
C- Ryan Kalil 6.4
RG- Keydrick Vincent 7.61
RT- Jeff Otah -19
---------------------------------------46.45
Chicago Bears

LT- Orlando Pace 13.4
LG- Josh Beekman 7.25 (only 16gs)
C- Olin Kreutz 6.85
RG- Roberto Garza 9.24
RT- Kevin Shaffer 9.71
-----------------------------------------------46.45
Dallas Cowboys

LT- Flozell Adams 13.69
LG- Kyle Kosier 9.07
C- Andre Gurode 9.15
RG- Leonard Davis 12.46( played as a Tackle for most of his career)
RT- Marc Colombo 16.31
-------------------------------------------------60.68
Detroit Lions

LT- Jeff Backus 15.96
LG- Damion Cook 13.6
C- Dominic Raiola 4.65
RG- Stephen Peterman 8.55
RT- Jon Jansen 11.61
-------------------------------------------------------54.37
Green Bay Packers

LT- Chad Clifton 11.07
LG- Daryn Colledge 10.17
C- Scott Wells 6.14
RG- Jason Spitz 5.17
RT- Tony Moll 19.33
-------------------------------------------------51.88

Minnesota Vikings

LT- Bryant McKinnie 12.78
LG- Steve Hutchinson 5.41
C- John Sullivan 0 ( zero games played) they have 2 centers w/ 0 games.
RG- Anthony Herrera 15.34
RT- Ryan Cook 16.25
----------------------------------------------------49.78( note Vikings have NO center w/ any GS!) So they really aren't as good as shown here.


New Orleans Saints

LT Jammal Brown 11.99
LG Carl Nicks 5.53
C Jonathan Goodwin 9.99
RG Jahri Evans 5.99
RT Jonathan Stinchcomb 6.83
----------------------------------------------------40.33
New York Giants

LT- David Diehl 14.41
LG- Rich Seubert 5.09
C- Shaun O'Hara 6.11
RG- Chris Snee 8.00
RT- Kareem McKenzie 7.77
-----------------------------------------------------41.38
Philadelphia Eagles

LT- Todd Herremans 9.12
LG- Max Jean-Gilles 5.80
C- Jamaal Jackson 7.56
RG- Shawn Andrews 8.24
RT- Jason Peters 13.40
---------------------------------------------------------44.12
San Fran. 49ers

LT- Joe Staley 13.25
LG- David Baas 11.08
C- Eric Heitmann 6.19
RG- Chilo Rachal 2.66 (6gs)
RT- Marvel Smith 9.99
--------------------------------------------43.17
Seattle Seahawks

LT Walter Jones 8.10
LG Steve Vallos 6.45
C Chris Spencer 7.2
RG Rob Sims 7.8
RT Sean Locklear 10.71
-------------------------------------------40.26
St. Louis Rams

LT- Alex Barron 21.37
LG- John Greco 24 (1 gs w/ 1.5sacks allwd)
C- Jason Brown 8.80
RG- Richie Incognito 15.58
RT Jacob Bell 7.39
----------------------------------------------77.14
Tampa Bay Bucs

LT- Donald Penn 11.99
LG- Arron Sears 11.91
C- Jeff Faine 2.43
RG- Davin Joseph 6.4
RT- Jeremy Trueblood 17.07
---------------------------------------------49.80
Washington Redskins

LT Chris Samuels 11.37
LG Derrick Dockery 11.95
C Casey Rabach 8.14
RG Randy Thomas 3.97
RT Stephon Heyer 22
-----------------------------------------------------57.43
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:58 pm to
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NIH's theory: Bushrod isn't serviceable because he isn't as good as Brown. I have this one website's %'s. So its the troof.


?

I only had to use that FO stat to counter the people who think Bushrod is a better run blocker.

Bushrod's sack total and constant need for help tell the story of his pass blocking.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:58 pm to
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Saints problems at OT continued to show up; LT Bushrod cannot consistently block quality edge pass rushers one-on-one – Brees has compensated for this weakness most of the season but it’s definitely a flaw that can be exposed


this is from a scout's report in another thread. clearly he is an idiot like me.
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