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Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:45 pm to NIH
quote:Now you are just being an idiot.
welp, there's not much solid evidence that brown was pnwed.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to Roaad
how so? at least provide me a bit of a recap that says freeney had a good night or something. now it's just your memory you have backing you up.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to NIH
quote:
deuce had been average since 2003
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:46 pm to NIH
you asked for serviceable and thats exactly what bushrod is....
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to Chad504boy
is this shite serously being debated?
This argument is dumb.
This argument is dumb.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to Roaad
i'm pretty sure deuce never got above more than a 4.5 YPC or 1200 yards after '03. that is pretty much average.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:48 pm to NIH
quote:I suggest you go back and watch the game.
how so? at least provide me a bit of a recap that says freeney had a good night or something. now it's just your memory you have backing you up.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:49 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
you asked for serviceable and thats exactly what bushrod is....
stinch is servicable, not bushrod.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:50 pm to NIH
quote:What do you base this on, exactly?
stinch is servicable, not bushrod.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:52 pm to Roaad
quote:
What do you base this on, exactly?
I'm sure football outsiders has a % for it.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:52 pm to Roaad
quote:
What do you base this on, exactly?
pressure/sacks allowed/help given.
stinch gets beaten but he rarely ever gets dominated. he's solid/servicable/okay.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:53 pm to Chad504boy
at least roaad is capable of debate, you are literally a child.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:53 pm to NIH
quote:He's a right tackle.
pressure/sacks allowed/help given.
Why do we run to the left moreso than to the right?
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:55 pm to NIH
quote:
at least roaad is capable of debate, you are literally a child.
There's nothing to debate when you pull an opinion out of your arse.
NIH's theory: Bushrod isn't serviceable because he isn't as good as Brown. I have this one website's %'s. So its the troof.
Yeah dude.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:56 pm to Roaad
quote:
He's a right tackle.
Why do we run to the left moreso than to the right?
maybe bushrod is a better run blocker? stinch isn't an exceptional run blocker but he's great in space when blocking for reggie on the outside. teams also move their best DEs all around the field. Carolina moves Peppers around to both DE slots just as Minnesota does with Allen.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:57 pm to NIH
once again: (bushrod is coming in at about 10.6)
Here's the stats for Olinemen coming into this season. The figure is sacks+holding calls /16.
Jammal Brown comes out as a decent, but not franchise LT.
Arizona
Lt- Mike Gandy 12.54
Lg- Reggie Wells 8.37
C- Lyle Sendlein 3.04( only 18gs)
Rg- Deuce Lutui 11.4
Rt- Levi Brown 18.95
--------------------------------54.30
Atlanta Falcons
LT- Sam Baker- 16 (only 5gs)
LG- Justin Blalock 13.06
C- Todd McClure 3.63
RG- Harvey Dahl 6 (only 16gs)
RT- Tyson Clabo 7.99
-------------------------------------46.68
Carolina Panthers
LT- Jordan Gross 11.40
LG- Travelle Wharton 9.65
C- Ryan Kalil 6.4
RG- Keydrick Vincent 7.61
RT- Jeff Otah -19
---------------------------------------46.45
Chicago Bears
LT- Orlando Pace 13.4
LG- Josh Beekman 7.25 (only 16gs)
C- Olin Kreutz 6.85
RG- Roberto Garza 9.24
RT- Kevin Shaffer 9.71
-----------------------------------------------46.45
Dallas Cowboys
LT- Flozell Adams 13.69
LG- Kyle Kosier 9.07
C- Andre Gurode 9.15
RG- Leonard Davis 12.46( played as a Tackle for most of his career)
RT- Marc Colombo 16.31
-------------------------------------------------60.68
Detroit Lions
LT- Jeff Backus 15.96
LG- Damion Cook 13.6
C- Dominic Raiola 4.65
RG- Stephen Peterman 8.55
RT- Jon Jansen 11.61
-------------------------------------------------------54.37
Green Bay Packers
LT- Chad Clifton 11.07
LG- Daryn Colledge 10.17
C- Scott Wells 6.14
RG- Jason Spitz 5.17
RT- Tony Moll 19.33
-------------------------------------------------51.88
Minnesota Vikings
LT- Bryant McKinnie 12.78
LG- Steve Hutchinson 5.41
C- John Sullivan 0 ( zero games played) they have 2 centers w/ 0 games.
RG- Anthony Herrera 15.34
RT- Ryan Cook 16.25
----------------------------------------------------49.78( note Vikings have NO center w/ any GS!) So they really aren't as good as shown here.
New Orleans Saints
LT Jammal Brown 11.99
LG Carl Nicks 5.53
C Jonathan Goodwin 9.99
RG Jahri Evans 5.99
RT Jonathan Stinchcomb 6.83
----------------------------------------------------40.33
New York Giants
LT- David Diehl 14.41
LG- Rich Seubert 5.09
C- Shaun O'Hara 6.11
RG- Chris Snee 8.00
RT- Kareem McKenzie 7.77
-----------------------------------------------------41.38
Philadelphia Eagles
LT- Todd Herremans 9.12
LG- Max Jean-Gilles 5.80
C- Jamaal Jackson 7.56
RG- Shawn Andrews 8.24
RT- Jason Peters 13.40
---------------------------------------------------------44.12
San Fran. 49ers
LT- Joe Staley 13.25
LG- David Baas 11.08
C- Eric Heitmann 6.19
RG- Chilo Rachal 2.66 (6gs)
RT- Marvel Smith 9.99
--------------------------------------------43.17
Seattle Seahawks
LT Walter Jones 8.10
LG Steve Vallos 6.45
C Chris Spencer 7.2
RG Rob Sims 7.8
RT Sean Locklear 10.71
-------------------------------------------40.26
St. Louis Rams
LT- Alex Barron 21.37
LG- John Greco 24 (1 gs w/ 1.5sacks allwd)
C- Jason Brown 8.80
RG- Richie Incognito 15.58
RT Jacob Bell 7.39
----------------------------------------------77.14
Tampa Bay Bucs
LT- Donald Penn 11.99
LG- Arron Sears 11.91
C- Jeff Faine 2.43
RG- Davin Joseph 6.4
RT- Jeremy Trueblood 17.07
---------------------------------------------49.80
Washington Redskins
LT Chris Samuels 11.37
LG Derrick Dockery 11.95
C Casey Rabach 8.14
RG Randy Thomas 3.97
RT Stephon Heyer 22
-----------------------------------------------------57.43
Here's the stats for Olinemen coming into this season. The figure is sacks+holding calls /16.
Jammal Brown comes out as a decent, but not franchise LT.
Arizona
Lt- Mike Gandy 12.54
Lg- Reggie Wells 8.37
C- Lyle Sendlein 3.04( only 18gs)
Rg- Deuce Lutui 11.4
Rt- Levi Brown 18.95
--------------------------------54.30
Atlanta Falcons
LT- Sam Baker- 16 (only 5gs)
LG- Justin Blalock 13.06
C- Todd McClure 3.63
RG- Harvey Dahl 6 (only 16gs)
RT- Tyson Clabo 7.99
-------------------------------------46.68
Carolina Panthers
LT- Jordan Gross 11.40
LG- Travelle Wharton 9.65
C- Ryan Kalil 6.4
RG- Keydrick Vincent 7.61
RT- Jeff Otah -19
---------------------------------------46.45
Chicago Bears
LT- Orlando Pace 13.4
LG- Josh Beekman 7.25 (only 16gs)
C- Olin Kreutz 6.85
RG- Roberto Garza 9.24
RT- Kevin Shaffer 9.71
-----------------------------------------------46.45
Dallas Cowboys
LT- Flozell Adams 13.69
LG- Kyle Kosier 9.07
C- Andre Gurode 9.15
RG- Leonard Davis 12.46( played as a Tackle for most of his career)
RT- Marc Colombo 16.31
-------------------------------------------------60.68
Detroit Lions
LT- Jeff Backus 15.96
LG- Damion Cook 13.6
C- Dominic Raiola 4.65
RG- Stephen Peterman 8.55
RT- Jon Jansen 11.61
-------------------------------------------------------54.37
Green Bay Packers
LT- Chad Clifton 11.07
LG- Daryn Colledge 10.17
C- Scott Wells 6.14
RG- Jason Spitz 5.17
RT- Tony Moll 19.33
-------------------------------------------------51.88
Minnesota Vikings
LT- Bryant McKinnie 12.78
LG- Steve Hutchinson 5.41
C- John Sullivan 0 ( zero games played) they have 2 centers w/ 0 games.
RG- Anthony Herrera 15.34
RT- Ryan Cook 16.25
----------------------------------------------------49.78( note Vikings have NO center w/ any GS!) So they really aren't as good as shown here.
New Orleans Saints
LT Jammal Brown 11.99
LG Carl Nicks 5.53
C Jonathan Goodwin 9.99
RG Jahri Evans 5.99
RT Jonathan Stinchcomb 6.83
----------------------------------------------------40.33
New York Giants
LT- David Diehl 14.41
LG- Rich Seubert 5.09
C- Shaun O'Hara 6.11
RG- Chris Snee 8.00
RT- Kareem McKenzie 7.77
-----------------------------------------------------41.38
Philadelphia Eagles
LT- Todd Herremans 9.12
LG- Max Jean-Gilles 5.80
C- Jamaal Jackson 7.56
RG- Shawn Andrews 8.24
RT- Jason Peters 13.40
---------------------------------------------------------44.12
San Fran. 49ers
LT- Joe Staley 13.25
LG- David Baas 11.08
C- Eric Heitmann 6.19
RG- Chilo Rachal 2.66 (6gs)
RT- Marvel Smith 9.99
--------------------------------------------43.17
Seattle Seahawks
LT Walter Jones 8.10
LG Steve Vallos 6.45
C Chris Spencer 7.2
RG Rob Sims 7.8
RT Sean Locklear 10.71
-------------------------------------------40.26
St. Louis Rams
LT- Alex Barron 21.37
LG- John Greco 24 (1 gs w/ 1.5sacks allwd)
C- Jason Brown 8.80
RG- Richie Incognito 15.58
RT Jacob Bell 7.39
----------------------------------------------77.14
Tampa Bay Bucs
LT- Donald Penn 11.99
LG- Arron Sears 11.91
C- Jeff Faine 2.43
RG- Davin Joseph 6.4
RT- Jeremy Trueblood 17.07
---------------------------------------------49.80
Washington Redskins
LT Chris Samuels 11.37
LG Derrick Dockery 11.95
C Casey Rabach 8.14
RG Randy Thomas 3.97
RT Stephon Heyer 22
-----------------------------------------------------57.43
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:58 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
NIH's theory: Bushrod isn't serviceable because he isn't as good as Brown. I have this one website's %'s. So its the troof.
?
I only had to use that FO stat to counter the people who think Bushrod is a better run blocker.
Bushrod's sack total and constant need for help tell the story of his pass blocking.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:58 pm to NIH
quote:
Saints problems at OT continued to show up; LT Bushrod cannot consistently block quality edge pass rushers one-on-one – Brees has compensated for this weakness most of the season but it’s definitely a flaw that can be exposed
this is from a scout's report in another thread. clearly he is an idiot like me.
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