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Zion is not too heavy
Posted by VOR on 1/19/20 at 10:34 am57
He certainly isn’t carrying much fat.
I was watching a tape of him putting on some moves pregame and thought he looked pretty
svelt. Just my 2 cents.
I know that weight is still weight when it comes to his knees, but I don’t think diet and exercise will be an issue. Brilliant post, I know.
I was watching a tape of him putting on some moves pregame and thought he looked pretty
svelt. Just my 2 cents.
I know that weight is still weight when it comes to his knees, but I don’t think diet and exercise will be an issue. Brilliant post, I know.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by Upperdecker on 1/19/20 at 10:38 am to VOR
The way he carries his weight and his proportions are the issue. He’s built different than most NBA players. He’s pretty top heavy
And it’s not any single movement. It’s stress based. Over time stress on a certain part of the body will cause issues. It’s why a lot of big men have joint issues. Too much weight on a moving part of the body creates stress, which will lead to heavy inflammation over time and stress fractures
And it’s not any single movement. It’s stress based. Over time stress on a certain part of the body will cause issues. It’s why a lot of big men have joint issues. Too much weight on a moving part of the body creates stress, which will lead to heavy inflammation over time and stress fractures
VOR, I think you’re right. As a medical professional, I can tell you that everything they say about his weight putting excessive stress on his joints is purely theoretical. And muscle is absolutely different than fat in terms of force distribution.
Retraining his movements is nothing new in injury prevention. It is really good care, but it happens all the time.
Retraining his movements is nothing new in injury prevention. It is really good care, but it happens all the time.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by Upperdecker on 1/19/20 at 12:38 pm to PTinBR
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As a medical professional, I can tell you that everything they say about his weight putting excessive stress on his joints is purely theoretical. And muscle is absolutely different than fat in terms of force distribution.
His weight and his height are defined by BMI as obese. He’s obviously not fat or unhealthy, but that obese weight has the same impact on his knees as that of a person with the same weight in fat instead of muscle. That’s excessive force compared to what forces should act on his joints, with the standard being a healthy weight. And he’s doing far more force with his explosiveness than almost any other athlete in the world. That explosiveness is acceleration, and his mass being propelled is greater than any athlete with that explosiveness, so he’s creating more force on his lower body than any other athlete. Joints are not meant to go through extreme force continually, and he’s not going to stop leaping explosively, so you need to reduce his weight to reduce the force
The only question is how the force is distributed across his knee. That I agree with. Which is why they’re changing his gait to reduce the load on the most problematic area
This post was edited on 1/19 at 12:41 pm
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by PTinBR on 1/19/20 at 12:57 pm to Upperdecker
Wow, you really wanted to double down on the bad takes this week? Ok, well here we go:
First of all BMI is an exceedingly antiquated system that no reputable professional would be caught dead advocating much less using. It doesn’t account for muscle at all.
Secondly, fat and muscle do not have the same effect on his knees, because muscle possesses the ability to dissipate force if you use good biomechanics. That’s the science behind changing the way someone moves.
So yes, he has more force than an average person going across his joints, but he also has stronger, more explosive muscles to dissipate that force. The link between bigs and joint injuries isn’t just about their weight. It’s also about how the joints actually grow and the fact that they typically demonstrate faulty movement patterns. Although even that is theoretical since correlation doesn’t equal causation.
First of all BMI is an exceedingly antiquated system that no reputable professional would be caught dead advocating much less using. It doesn’t account for muscle at all.
Secondly, fat and muscle do not have the same effect on his knees, because muscle possesses the ability to dissipate force if you use good biomechanics. That’s the science behind changing the way someone moves.
So yes, he has more force than an average person going across his joints, but he also has stronger, more explosive muscles to dissipate that force. The link between bigs and joint injuries isn’t just about their weight. It’s also about how the joints actually grow and the fact that they typically demonstrate faulty movement patterns. Although even that is theoretical since correlation doesn’t equal causation.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by Upperdecker on 1/19/20 at 1:05 pm to PTinBR
Is energy dissipation in muscle proven to reduce force on joints? Only seeing effects on muscle peak forces
And BMI is still very commonly used. Not sure where you’re getting that. Using it to measure healthiness is where it’s obsolete
And BMI is still very commonly used. Not sure where you’re getting that. Using it to measure healthiness is where it’s obsolete
This post was edited on 1/19 at 1:12 pm
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by PTinBR on 1/19/20 at 1:30 pm to Upperdecker
Yes it is, they’re called Joint Reaction Forces (JRF). It generally requires the use of force plates and is best when they’re combined with 3D imaging.
And BMI is only used for ease/speed by professionals who aren’t actually specialists and by insurance companies bc it allows them to charge a high number of people higher premiums. Anyone who really cares, uses one of the many more accurate measurements for calculating %body fat like skin fold measurements, bio electric impedance, etc. BMI has been shown in many studies to be terribly inaccurate, especially in athletic populations.
And BMI is only used for ease/speed by professionals who aren’t actually specialists and by insurance companies bc it allows them to charge a high number of people higher premiums. Anyone who really cares, uses one of the many more accurate measurements for calculating %body fat like skin fold measurements, bio electric impedance, etc. BMI has been shown in many studies to be terribly inaccurate, especially in athletic populations.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by Upperdecker on 1/19/20 at 1:42 pm to PTinBR
Yea using it to measure body fat is outdated like I said, it’s for general body mass, which doesn’t differentiate between fat and muscle. I see it used to compare size of a person’s build to an average, generally showing whether they are lean or bulked or average
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re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by PTinBR on 1/19/20 at 2:20 pm to Upperdecker
What I’m telling you is that measuring general body mass has fallen out of vogue, because it’s been shown to not be an accurate predictor of injury risk. It doesn’t work to show lean or bulked or average bc it can’t differentiate between fat and muscle.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by dafif5 on 1/19/20 at 4:01 pm to Upperdecker
You do realize you are fighting with a physical therapist, right? As a PA and athletic trainer, I highly suggest you stop before you humiliate yourself even more.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by touchdownjeebus on 1/19/20 at 4:25 pm to PTinBR
Killed it. Fat me and muscular me, still shitty knees, but not nearly as painful once I got back into shape.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by WicKed WayZ on 1/19/20 at 6:06 pm to Upperdecker
You’re embarrassing yourself
As long as he maintains a healthy weight, something the FO, his agent and family will stay on him about, he will be fine. He probably won’t be playing at 280 anymore but 6’6 260 is a good weight for him. There’s no way to know what his actual weight is but he doesn’t look heavy on the bench. Barkley played at 250-265 his entire career and played 16 years
As long as he maintains a healthy weight, something the FO, his agent and family will stay on him about, he will be fine. He probably won’t be playing at 280 anymore but 6’6 260 is a good weight for him. There’s no way to know what his actual weight is but he doesn’t look heavy on the bench. Barkley played at 250-265 his entire career and played 16 years
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by Unknown_Poster on 1/19/20 at 8:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
He also needs to stop landing on one leg.
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And BMI is only used for ease/speed by professionals who aren’t actually specialists and by insurance companies bc it allows them to charge a high number of people higher premiums. Anyone who really cares, uses one of the many more accurate measurements for calculating %body fat like skin fold measurements, bio electric impedance, etc. BMI has been shown in many studies to be terribly inaccurate, especially in athletic populations.
Still used for bariatrics in particular and a good indicator to measure general health for an average person.
Piss poor indicator when using it to compare in athletics and those with low fat percentage.
re: Zion is not too heavyPosted by longhorn22 on 1/20/20 at 7:10 am to VOR
Zion is has the perfect build of a........... NFL Tight End.
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