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Zach Lowe profiles this board's favorite trade target Myles Turner
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:31 am
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Adebayo's ability to smother Indiana's guards on switches vaporized Turner from this dull sweep until Turner scored 22 points in Game 4 -- by which point it was too late. The Heat had no fear of Turner posting up their own guards on the other end of those switches. Turner's post game consists mostly of face-up jumpers. He rarely draws fouls. He has little inside-out passing feel; he recorded assists on only 1.6% of his post-ups this season, third lowest among 95 guys who recorded at least 50 post touches, per Second Spectrum.
The Pacers demoted Turner to corner spot-up duty while their guards attacked Miami's weakest defenders one-on-one. When they called Turner ball screens -- mostly when Kelly Olynyk replaced Adebayo -- he popped for 2s instead of 3s. Turner attempted just 14 3s in 146 minutes, well below his regular-season rate; six came in Game 4.
He made seven free throws in four games. He upped his offensive rebounding rate, but not to any level that concerned Miami. A center who can't post up switches and doesn't generate foul shots, offensive boards, or 3s is borderline useless on offense.
Turner has to get good enough in the post to punish Duncan Robinson. That's the bar. Beyond that, he should follow the path of Brook Lopez: turn every long 2 into a triple, and keep defending the rim like a mad man. (He averaged four blocks per game against Miami.)
Adebayo destroyed Indiana's offense. We talk a lot about guys who can "guard 1-to-5," but most of them can't hang with stars at the positional poles. Adebayo really can guard 1-to-5. His leap as a passer unlocked a new subset of offense for Miami, but his defense turned this series. Without Domantas Sabonis to brutalize switches -- as both scorer and passer -- Indiana had nothing left.
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He talks more about the Pacers in another section of the article and the again talks about how much the Pacers missed Sabonis' ability to make teams that switched picks pay, something Turner wasn't able to do.
I'm not saying Myles Turner shouldn't be a trade target, maybe his limits aren't a concern for the Pels and we only need him to stand in the corner on offense and protect the rim on defense. At the very least it sounds like after his playoff performance the price should drop and we shouldn't give up too much to acquire him.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
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we shouldn't give up too much to acquire him.
Yeah, in the other thread, we had people insisting that Jaxson Hayes + #13 was a good value to get Turner. I thought that was nuts.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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we had people insisting that Jaxson Hayes + #13 was a good value to get Turner. I thought that was nuts.
That is nuts. I'm thinking a Derrick Favors S&T and several 2nds cobbled together as a faux first, kind of like the Mirotic trade we made with the Bucks.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
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I'm not saying Myles Turner shouldn't be a trade target, maybe his limits aren't a concern for the Pels and we only need him to stand in the corner on offense and protect the rim on defense.
I mean that basically describes what we need.
A five that can draw defenders away from the rim for Zion and protect the rim/grab boards on defense to cover up for his size deficiencies.
But he does need to be turning those long twos into threes. No reason a shooter like Turner at the five shouldn’t be taking 6+ threes a game like Lopez does.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
quote:Why would they want Favors? Their problem now, is that they were trying to play 2 bigs together.
That is nuts. I'm thinking a Derrick Favors S&T and several 2nds cobbled together as a faux first, kind of like the Mirotic trade we made with the Bucks.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
Ouch.
He didn’t have a good year and maybe he’s just plateaued and been exposed. I don’t know.
He didn’t have a good year and maybe he’s just plateaued and been exposed. I don’t know.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:07 am to Epic Cajun
The idea of Myles Turner is infinitely better than the actual Myles Turner.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:11 am to Epic Cajun
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Their problem now, is that they were trying to play 2 bigs together.
Then why haven't they traded Turner already? To say both have been "shopped" is the wrong word, but they've known this probably wasn't going to work long term for a few years yet haven't moved either. As much as Zach Lowe talked about missing Sabonis on offense, he's not the rim protector Turner is. I could see a version of this story where Turner was the one out injured and Zach Lowe was talking about how Indy missed his rim protection and defensive rebounding.
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Why would they want Favors?
You get similar defense, rebounding and rim protection to Turner for a year, and it comes from a player that isn't a "disappointing" 1st round pick you drafted and once had such high hopes for. You also get the equivalent of a 1st round pick and even on a 1 year overpay for Favors you probably still save several million vs. Turner.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
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maybe he’s just plateaued and been exposed.
Even if he has, the Pels really don't need him to be more than he is. I think this means his price might finally become reasonable. I've never been anti-Turner, but he's going to be a role playing starter, so I have been against giving up too many assets to get him.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
I said this in the other thread, but people here seem to overrate what Turner provides. He doesnt move particularly well laterally, he's a bit lumbering in transition, and too stagnant in the halfcourt.
He provides rim protection and a perimetershot, but I don't think he fits what Griff wants to do (play fast with a versatile roster). While he makes a decent bit of his perimeter shots, he's kind of like Etwaun. His shot is slow and he doesn't take advantage when the defender closes out on him. He either passes off or takes a long two.
I would rather someone like Olynyk or Baynes who are cheaper in terms of acquisition costs and salary to serve as a bridge to Hayes (or maybe Jalen Smith).
He provides rim protection and a perimetershot, but I don't think he fits what Griff wants to do (play fast with a versatile roster). While he makes a decent bit of his perimeter shots, he's kind of like Etwaun. His shot is slow and he doesn't take advantage when the defender closes out on him. He either passes off or takes a long two.
I would rather someone like Olynyk or Baynes who are cheaper in terms of acquisition costs and salary to serve as a bridge to Hayes (or maybe Jalen Smith).
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:19 am to Bronc
quote:he doesn’t do that. Teams leave him open
A five that can draw defenders away from the rim
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:56 am to CP3forMVP
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The idea of Myles Turner is infinitely better than the actual Myles Turner.
So in your opinion he wouldn’t make this team better than it is with its current roster?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:07 pm to Macintosh504
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he doesn’t do that. Teams leave him open
I’d rather him taking the wide open shots over favors.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:13 pm to Macintosh504
Teams sag off of him especially with our roster and he will hit 20 ppg on wide open 3's. They wouldn't leave him open for long
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:14 pm to Louisianabound88
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I’d rather him taking the wide open shots over favors.
Is the choice binary? The assets and cap space used on Turner could be used for a ton of other options.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:14 pm to Louisianabound88
quote:not disagreeing but I’m not giving up a lot for him
I’d rather him taking the wide open shots over favors.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:27 pm to Soggymoss
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Teams sag off of him especially with our roster and he will hit 20 ppg on wide open 3's. They wouldn't leave him open for long
He only shot 35.5% on wide open 3's this year (majority of his 3PA), so he'd need to attempt almost 19 3's per game to hit your 20 ppg mark (more than 6 attempts per game over Harden)
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
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That is nuts. I'm thinking a Derrick Favors S&T and several 2nds cobbled together as a faux first, kind of like the Mirotic trade we made with the Bucks.
Are there hard cap implications in a sign and trade?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:47 pm to Louisianabound88
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So in your opinion he wouldn’t make this team better than it is with its current roster?
Of course he would, but that’s not the point. There are a ton of players who could move the needle slightly if the Pels wanted to mortgage the future to get them.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:56 pm to NOFOX
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He only shot 35.5% on wide open 3's this year (majority of his 3PA), so he'd need to attempt almost 19 3's per game to hit your 20 ppg mark (more than 6 attempts per game over Harden)
He was at 38% the two years previously on open and wide open 3's. That "scouting report" on him wasn't too flattering though.
As someone else pointed out, i'd rather Olynyk or Baynes, and i'd add Meyers Leonard to that too, although all three of them may be difficult to get in FA. You could probably get Baynes or Leonard with the MLE.
Olynyk was 39% this year on open or wide open 3's, 3.3 attempts per game, which was basically every three he took. He was 36% the year before on 3.9 attempts per game. 39% the year before that on 3.6 attempts per game.
Aron Baynes just learned how to shoot 3's 2 years ago. He's almost 34 years old. He's been at 35-36% the last two years.
Meyers Leonard has shot 41%, 45%, 42% the last 3 years, and is a 39% career 3 point shooter. He is without a doubt the best shooter of the bunch.
Olynyk is the best of the 4, on both ends of the floor if you ask me. He takes more 3's than the other 3 guys, and i think he's a better overall defender, and he's going to play with grit on both ends of the floor. Unless we will somehow have around $12-13M in cap space, i dont' see how we could get him though, but i think he's the best fit for us on both sides of the ball.
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