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Would you trade Eric Bledsoe for Luke Kennard?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:58 pm
Kennard has fallen completely out of the rotation with the Clippers and is definitely one of the biggest bust re-signings of this offseason.
He just does not fit with them at all and it just isn't working. He is still shooting %40+ from 3 though.
He makes like 4-5 million less than Bledsoe this year and next...but whereas in 2022-23 where Bledsoe is only owed 3.6, Kennard is owed 14.
You are taking a risk that he didn't forget how to play basketball and is just a bad fit in LAC.
He can be elite from 3, but is not a good defender at all.
He just does not fit with them at all and it just isn't working. He is still shooting %40+ from 3 though.
He makes like 4-5 million less than Bledsoe this year and next...but whereas in 2022-23 where Bledsoe is only owed 3.6, Kennard is owed 14.
You are taking a risk that he didn't forget how to play basketball and is just a bad fit in LAC.
He can be elite from 3, but is not a good defender at all.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Yes, but I think he has a poison pill contract, so would be very difficult to pull off.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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but is not a good defender at all.
Will Stan play him then? Stan did draft him though.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:14 pm to TigerinATL
Big money to another guy who can’t defend. I’d have to say no. I’d rather try to swap Bled for Shroeder. He’s an expiring contract and he’s kind of an a hole and we desperately need an a hole on this team. The lakers might do it if Lebron asks them to. Bledsoe is his boy. Also the fit might be better for LA considering Bled is hitting his threes this year and Schroeder isn’t.
For us, we get a younger guy that can legitimately create his own shot and has a chip on his shoulder. We have a bunch of good guys on the team, but they are mostly soft and that’s a big reason why we can’t buckle down get stops and win tight games.
For us, we get a younger guy that can legitimately create his own shot and has a chip on his shoulder. We have a bunch of good guys on the team, but they are mostly soft and that’s a big reason why we can’t buckle down get stops and win tight games.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:16 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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lakers might do it if Lebron asks them to. Bledsoe is his boy.
Bledsoe also is repped by Rich Paul and Klutch.
I'd worry how Schroeder impacts Kira though. He's already made it clear he expects to start, and he's also expecting to get paid, so if you trade for him you're paying him a lot of money.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:24 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Not a fan of Shroeder. I would pass.
Bledsoe also is repped by Rich Paul and Klutch.
I'd worry how Schroeder impacts Kira though. He's already made it clear he expects to start, and he's also expecting to get paid, so if you trade for him you're paying him a lot of money.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:42 pm to NOSHAU
I will take the Schroeder trade in less than a NY second. Don't understand LAL reasons for taking on Bledsoe and his contract.
Kennard trade needs the salaries to match. Clips not going into luxury tax for Bledsoe
Kennard trade needs the salaries to match. Clips not going into luxury tax for Bledsoe
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:42 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't know if my logic is even correct here since you gotta salary match any way but...I just feel like on some level with respect to taking on $10+mil contracts on meh dudes after next season, I'd rather not do so in order to remain flexible on the idea of bringing along a $30mil+ star player hopefully before the 2022 season starts.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:44 pm to NOSHAU
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Yes, but I think he has a poison pill contract, so would be very difficult to pull off.
correct
It would have to be a complicated trade where the Clippers have to take back less than or equal to what they send out, while we have to send out $7M more than we take in b/c of Kennards contract extension.
SO something like
Bledsoe to Clips
Dinwiddie and Kennard to Pels
Beverly to the Nets
Hayes to the Knicks or someone that can absorb his salary without sending anythign out, OKC or Charlotte.
as i've said before, Bledsoe to Denver for Harris and some kind of assets for taking on his contract works for both sides. I know Bledsoe hasn't been great for us, but i think teams that are in a better position than us to compete, like Denver, could benefit by having him, assuming he steps it up on the defensive side of the ball, which maybe he would if he was playign for a team that was in contention b/c i think he's just not giving the same effort over here as he did in Milwuakee.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
I've seen the poison pill thing referred to with Kennard, can someone explain what it is exactly?
His salary amounts look in line, so it's not like the Tyler Johnson poison pill that went from something like $5mil to $19mil, so I wasn't sure what is being referenced there.
His salary amounts look in line, so it's not like the Tyler Johnson poison pill that went from something like $5mil to $19mil, so I wasn't sure what is being referenced there.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:50 pm to shel311
I looked at his salary and I don't see a poison pill but obviously could be wrong.
It is a lot of salary to take on for a guy that currently isn't playing well.
It is a lot of salary to take on for a guy that currently isn't playing well.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:59 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Yea
It is a lot of salary to take on for a guy that currently isn't playing well.
Like I said above, I haven't really did a dive into the salaries for 2 years out, but I feel like we came up against the tax this year and couldn't use the MLE, which obviously would have been helpful.
I'd definitely like to avoid that in the future, and it seems like avoiding a contract like Kennard's would help keep us at least closer to a position where we could use a $10mil MLE on a more useful dude who can give us decent 3 and D capabilities as opposed to $14mil on Kennard who could only supply half of that.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:11 pm to shel311
When a player signs an extension that goes into affect the following year, his salary value has different value to the incoming and outgoing teams if he's traded before the extension salary begins.
His outgoing value for the Clippers is his current value, which is $5.2M, but his incoming value to the Pelicans would be his average salary he has under contract, so that's $61M over 5 years for an average of $12.2M.
So the Clippers only have to take back in $5.2M, but the Pelicans have to send out $12.2M. The problem with the Clippers is they cannot take back more salary than they send out. If they are taking back Bledsoe's $16.8M, then they have to send out Kennard and Beverly, which is $18.6M, but we still have to send out about $5M to account for Kennards incoming average salary of an additional $7M. so we have to find someone that can absorb salary, which is just the Knicks, or someone with a TPE, which is OKC and Celtics.
His outgoing value for the Clippers is his current value, which is $5.2M, but his incoming value to the Pelicans would be his average salary he has under contract, so that's $61M over 5 years for an average of $12.2M.
So the Clippers only have to take back in $5.2M, but the Pelicans have to send out $12.2M. The problem with the Clippers is they cannot take back more salary than they send out. If they are taking back Bledsoe's $16.8M, then they have to send out Kennard and Beverly, which is $18.6M, but we still have to send out about $5M to account for Kennards incoming average salary of an additional $7M. so we have to find someone that can absorb salary, which is just the Knicks, or someone with a TPE, which is OKC and Celtics.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Interesting, thanks
So let's say we had signed Lonzo Ball to an extension this past offseason at whatever, let's say $20mil/year.
His contract this season would be considered similarly?
So let's say we had signed Lonzo Ball to an extension this past offseason at whatever, let's say $20mil/year.
His contract this season would be considered similarly?
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
Yea the Lakers screwed themselves with the Kyle Kuzma extension for the same reason. He was really their only real means of improving their roster this year.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:45 pm to shel311
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His contract this season would be considered similarly?
yes, but in a normal year, you have to wait 6 months after signing the extension before you can trade them, and i think i recall someone here saying that they did not adjust that for this year's weird season, so i don't think Kennard is available to be traded anyway.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:46 pm to Fun Bunch
No.
He's owed alot of money for the next 4 seasons (not counting this season), and he hasn't really shown the ability to stay healthy in his short career.
I would rather keep Bled and use him in the offseason in a deal.
He's owed alot of money for the next 4 seasons (not counting this season), and he hasn't really shown the ability to stay healthy in his short career.
I would rather keep Bled and use him in the offseason in a deal.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 2:58 pm to Fun Bunch
I’d trade Bledsoe for some knockoff Jordan’s
Posted on 3/1/21 at 3:31 pm to Fun Bunch
As much as I hate Bledsoe and his overrated defense, no.
Kennard's contract is a negative asset. While Bledsoe hasn't been great its relatively reasonable due to the length. You can live with his production
Kennard's contract is a negative asset. While Bledsoe hasn't been great its relatively reasonable due to the length. You can live with his production
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 4:49 pm to htran90
Kennard's injury history is my red flag. Especially these seemingly ongoing knee issues.
Not so much his performance.
I think Lue is overrated as hell and expect a lot of role players to underperform in LA. But it seems like the knee stuff wont go away.
Not so much his performance.
I think Lue is overrated as hell and expect a lot of role players to underperform in LA. But it seems like the knee stuff wont go away.
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