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Woj on Pels trade activity...
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:39 am
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Kind of weird that he lumped the "Teams are targeting..." comment into the into the paragraph about the Pels. Not sure if that means we've specifically targeted them.
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So far, New Orleans is determined to re-sign center DeMarcus Cousins and hasn't invited trade offers on him.
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Detroit, New Orleans, New York and Portland are a few of the teams most interested in upgrades, but the true list is much longer. New Orleans is limited in its tradable assets. No one is taking the moribund contracts of Omer Asik and Alexis Ajinca without the Pelicans including a first-round draft pick -- if not more -- in the deal. The Pelicans are optimistic that they can get starting small forward Solomon Hill back from a hamstring tear before March, but they've remained active. Teams are targeting the availability of Brooklyn's DeMarre Carroll, Utah's Alec Burks, Orlando's Evan Fournier and Atlanta's Kent Bazemore, among others.
Kind of weird that he lumped the "Teams are targeting..." comment into the into the paragraph about the Pels. Not sure if that means we've specifically targeted them.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:49 am to THRILLHO
I told y'all a few weeks ago Carroll is a real target. They have been talking for months. They have also been talking to Atlanta, buy about other players. They aren't looking to add major long term money. They are targeting upgrades with just this year left on their deal. Or, at most, this year and next
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:05 pm to THRILLHO
Bullet points from the article:
* Slow market so far but lots of GMs will be in the same place for the GLeague showcase this week which could start spurring some movement.
* DeAndre Jordan is probably the biggest name on the block but there hasn't been much interest and the Clippers aren't going to just dump him.
* Most teams are looking at wings and the most available/asked about are DeMarre Carroll, Alec Burks, Evan Fournier and Kent Bazemore
* The Lakers have given up on being able to dump Deng for now
* Atlanta is selling Bazemore, Illyasova, and Belinelli
* Bulls are looking to trade Mirotic
* OKC isn't moving PG-13
* NOLA isn't moving Cousins
* Memphis is keeping Gasol
Atlanta has 3 1sts next year, their own, Minnesota's and Houston's. Do they really want more? The article says they do, but I wonder if you could do something like Asik/Ajinca/Diallo + pick swap. They get our pick, we get Houston's pick. You're giving up Diallo and 10-14 spots, but you still do have a 1st to use or trade in the offseason.
* Slow market so far but lots of GMs will be in the same place for the GLeague showcase this week which could start spurring some movement.
* DeAndre Jordan is probably the biggest name on the block but there hasn't been much interest and the Clippers aren't going to just dump him.
* Most teams are looking at wings and the most available/asked about are DeMarre Carroll, Alec Burks, Evan Fournier and Kent Bazemore
* The Lakers have given up on being able to dump Deng for now
* Atlanta is selling Bazemore, Illyasova, and Belinelli
* Bulls are looking to trade Mirotic
* OKC isn't moving PG-13
* NOLA isn't moving Cousins
* Memphis is keeping Gasol
Atlanta has 3 1sts next year, their own, Minnesota's and Houston's. Do they really want more? The article says they do, but I wonder if you could do something like Asik/Ajinca/Diallo + pick swap. They get our pick, we get Houston's pick. You're giving up Diallo and 10-14 spots, but you still do have a 1st to use or trade in the offseason.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:07 pm to Crewz
Asik/Diallo/1st for Dedmon/Belli
Would love that.
Asik/Cunninghma/Diallo/1st for Carroll. don't love it, but it wouldn't bother me.
Would love that.
Asik/Cunninghma/Diallo/1st for Carroll. don't love it, but it wouldn't bother me.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
I guess you'll know whether Dedmon can go or not by the deadline.
And if you're sending out Diallo and a 1st they sure as hell better be taking Ajinca too.
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Dedmon suffered a left tibia stress reaction and is likely to remain sidelined until the middle of January.
And if you're sending out Diallo and a 1st they sure as hell better be taking Ajinca too.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:12 pm to TigerinATL
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Asik/Ajinca/Diallo + pick swap.
That would be great, but that is a lot of bad money next year for only moving up 10-12 spots.
My biggest issue with all of this is that barring a catastrophic collapse, we are going to make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Trading the first for a wing does not change that. Why not just hope Solo's return changes the team dynamic. Why give up that first now for average players before we know whether Cousins will resign?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:17 pm to NOFOX
And Carroll kills your cap next year. The flexibility to be gained by dumping/stretching Asik/Ajinca disappears. After resigning Boogie you're at $124 million in salary, possibly over the tax, needing to replace Rondo, Nelson, Cunningham, Clark, Allen and needing to fill the 3rd big hole that Asik/Ajinca were in theory occupying.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:21 pm to TigerinATL
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And Carroll kills your cap next year. The flexibility to be gained by dumping/stretching Asik/Ajinca disappears. After resigning Boogie you're at $124 million in salary, possibly over the tax, needing to replace Rondo, Nelson, Cunningham, Clark, Allen and needing to fill the 3rd big hole that Asik/Ajinca were in theory occupying.
Exactly. I am 100% for staying the course right now. We made our bed. Trading the first for average players should only be reserved for two scenarios: (1) we were at risk of missing the playoffs, or (2) we could jump into the tier just below the real contenders. Neither of those situations have materialized, nor do they appear likely.
We should see what happens in the post-season, talk with Boogie's folks before the draft, and then decide what to do with the 1st.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:24 pm to TigerinATL
Didn't know that about Dedmon.
I'd still do that trade. I'd rather $6M Dedmon that is an expiring next year, and the $6M space after Belli finishes the season, than Asik, or stretching Asik.
I'd still do that trade. I'd rather $6M Dedmon that is an expiring next year, and the $6M space after Belli finishes the season, than Asik, or stretching Asik.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
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than Asik, or stretching Asik.
Plus a 1st round pick, which right now is looking like 15 or 16.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:40 pm to Crewz
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I told y'all a few weeks ago Carroll is a real target
I think he would be the perfect piece this team could use right now. Gives you all the stuff you get from Hill but can actually spread the floor, get to the line and boards much better.
....of course he just went down with a “right-knee ailment” that the Nets haven’t clarified further about yet. Which rushes back the major injury concerns Carroll brings.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:48 pm to bonhoeffer45
It also might lower their demands. Asik, Ajinca, and a first was a no-go for them at the beginning of this process. But can they do much better than that now?
They aren't gonna be good this year or next regardless, so who cares about having those two on the roster? They get a solid pick this year and a great contract to trade in the summer of 2019.
Or....they can just ride it out with Carroll and have absolutely nothing to show for him in 2019. If I'm them, I'd do it. If I am the Pels, I'd make a play for Dinwiddie too. Even if it costs me Jackson or Diallo.
They aren't gonna be good this year or next regardless, so who cares about having those two on the roster? They get a solid pick this year and a great contract to trade in the summer of 2019.
Or....they can just ride it out with Carroll and have absolutely nothing to show for him in 2019. If I'm them, I'd do it. If I am the Pels, I'd make a play for Dinwiddie too. Even if it costs me Jackson or Diallo.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:50 pm to Crewz
Id give them whatever they want to get Dinwiddie with Carroll. They can have diallo and jackson.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:52 pm to Crewz
It always seemed reasonable he was attainable to me. Much more so than many of the pie-in-the-sky trade scenarios you often read.
Marks has basically been renting out cap space for draft assets and cast-off young talent with potential to teams that have bad contracts on their books they want to get off, and/or need a veteran role player that doesn’t fit their time table. They got Carroll by doing just that. Marks would look like a genius turning Carroll into multiple first round picks. The Raptors and than whoever takes him next.
Marks has basically been renting out cap space for draft assets and cast-off young talent with potential to teams that have bad contracts on their books they want to get off, and/or need a veteran role player that doesn’t fit their time table. They got Carroll by doing just that. Marks would look like a genius turning Carroll into multiple first round picks. The Raptors and than whoever takes him next.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:03 pm to Crewz
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Asik, Ajinca, and a first was a no-go for them at the beginning of this process.
There's no reason to take your low price early, but I can't believe it'd actually be a no go. Asik/Ajinca is roughly the same money for the same time as Carroll but you'd get a 1st. Marks being able to rent the same cap space twice for 2 1sts and a 2nd is exactly the kind of moves an asset starved team like Brooklyn needs to make. If the Pels end up trading our 1st to Atlanta then Marks blew it.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:03 pm to bonhoeffer45
We better not trade the 1st round pick. This is the most loaded draft in a decade. We are almost guaranteed to find a solid starter to competent back-up with upside in the top 20, all for under 3M a year locked down for 5 seasons. Why give that up? Its the best way to add talent, everybody should know that..
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:10 pm to brmark70816
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Why give that up? Its the best way to add talent, everybody should know that..
I have very little faith they can draft a guy that's worth a shite, and it's obvious we aren't interested in waiting to win.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:14 pm to brmark70816
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Why give that up?
Because there are jobs on the line. If Demps has to choose between a 1st round pick and 1 win that saves his job, he's trading that 1st for just 1 win.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
If you have a pick in the top 20 and can't find a quality player, especially in a great draft, then I would have no faith in you to run a basketball team. Sure, there are busts. But its less of a risk than FA or overpriced vets that are traded. Plus I'm not 100% we make the playoffs. Davis or Cousins goes down, we're back in the lottery..
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:36 pm to brmark70816
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If you have a pick in the top 20 and can't find a quality player, especially in a great draft, then I would have no faith in you to run a basketball team.
the likely odds of your pick in the 16-20 range is that they are a minor role player. There's like a 1 and 5 chance of getting a solid starter with a pick in that range.
If we drafted a Dwayne Dedmon with that pick, it would be a success. Sure there's a chance you draft a guy like Giannis, or Gary Harris, or a good role player like Tony Snell, but the majority of those guys, if they do turn out to be good, will take probably 3 years before they start giving you really good play.
You obviously have a better chance at finding a good player at 16-20, but the chances aren't that much better as say picking around 34-39. The NBA draft really is a crap shoot.
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