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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:34 pm to Imember
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:34 pm to Imember
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But that’s not why I’m dropping my first ever post; been lurking for half a decade
At first I was Like: that’s a long time
Then I remembered I’ve been posting on TD for over a decade and just stared I to The distance for a moment.
Thanks for the Hayes insight thought
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:34 pm to Jar_Jar_80
Because we have an influx of rantards that are extremely clueless as to how the NbA draft works.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:35 pm to NOFOX
Once upon a time I'm sure Bill Khuharich and Mike Ditka had a vision for the Saints...
Obviously that's not to say I think Griffin will do poorly but that replying, "they said trust us," is not much of an argument. I personally think dropping down to draft Hayes at #8 in exchange for dumping a soon-to-be-expiring contract, picking up #17, and getting what will most likely be a pair of second round/cash consideration picks might not be worth the value of passing on players who were on the board at #4.
Was it a horrible move? No. But we'll have to wait and see how the respective players turn out in a few years. I am lukewarm on Hayes. And if picking up a young center was the play then I'd have preferred giving up something to acquire Myles Turner (but even there I'm not sure he would be worth what the team would have had to part with).
Obviously that's not to say I think Griffin will do poorly but that replying, "they said trust us," is not much of an argument. I personally think dropping down to draft Hayes at #8 in exchange for dumping a soon-to-be-expiring contract, picking up #17, and getting what will most likely be a pair of second round/cash consideration picks might not be worth the value of passing on players who were on the board at #4.
Was it a horrible move? No. But we'll have to wait and see how the respective players turn out in a few years. I am lukewarm on Hayes. And if picking up a young center was the play then I'd have preferred giving up something to acquire Myles Turner (but even there I'm not sure he would be worth what the team would have had to part with).
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:38 pm to Unknown_Poster
This 100% accurate perspective
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:45 pm to Unknown_Poster
We will have to see how they use the cap space. If they just dumped Hill for nothing in free agency then it wouldn’t appear to be as great of a move.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
I agree. And I'm interested to see what they do with that space to the extent they felt they needed it this off-season.
Griffin also said they planned to keep everyone they recently acquired which reveals they don't have any immediate plans to deal Lonzo -- so that factors in to why they felt they could trade down, too.
Griffin also said they planned to keep everyone they recently acquired which reveals they don't have any immediate plans to deal Lonzo -- so that factors in to why they felt they could trade down, too.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:00 pm to Unknown_Poster
It you’re sorta comparing opposite approaches and saying “well these guys were wrong anyone can be wrong”
We aren’t putting all our eggs in a Ricky Williams basket.
We’re sorts squabbling over whether 1/3 first round picks will work out.
Dell Demps was more Ditka than Griffin
We aren’t putting all our eggs in a Ricky Williams basket.
We’re sorts squabbling over whether 1/3 first round picks will work out.
Dell Demps was more Ditka than Griffin
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:31 pm to SammyTiger
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At first I was Like: that’s a long time
Right. Not terribly long, relatively, on Pels board.
I chatted on Nola.com for a while back in the end the Baron David / early CP3 days but that went to shite real bad, especially Saints talk. Never even thought about this board. Not sure why. I had been reading the LSU Recruiting board since who knows when. Still don’t post there. They get out of hand.
This is a quality board though. Really enjoy when newcomers show up talking trash not realizing y’all have been here for so long.
Appreciate y’all.
(This thread is dying out so I don’t feel too bad about going slightly off script here...so back on topic...)
Jaxon Hayes with a mid range (big if for now) looks like a good fit on a running team. If he and Zion both find decent jump shots, the combo will be very good and fun to watch.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 6/22/19 at 2:12 am to ErikGordan
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Right now Ingram is by far the best offensive starter.
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ErikGordan
Have you ever said anything that shows intelligence in your entire life? You have the worst takes I’ve ever seen on any message board. You’re objectively wrong on everything and still say the dumb shite.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 2:13 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 3:12 am to Unknown_Poster
Honestly I doubt Turner was even available unless we were willing to part with Jrue or something. And that wasn't going to happen.....
Posted on 6/22/19 at 6:49 am to whodat24
that's why i said if he's dealt, the cost will be a major factor in evaluating this pick (b/c if it's reasonable, we should have traded for him) and will be a shadow on hayes
i've also attacked and defended hayes in this thread, but i wanted to clarify something: it's not just the selection of hayes that is an issue, is the overall value for the 4th pick. for the 8th pick (in a 7 person draft), he's fine. SAW should be a good bench guard (i don't know if he has long term starter potential on a playoff team) and was fine at 17
but for 4? the 2nd biggest centerpiece asset for AD? i'm lukewarm. fair or not, turner is a factor in that. fair or not, goga being there at 17 is also a factor.
however, i would be melting the frick down if we drafted Cam Reddish, so at least we avoided that
i've also attacked and defended hayes in this thread, but i wanted to clarify something: it's not just the selection of hayes that is an issue, is the overall value for the 4th pick. for the 8th pick (in a 7 person draft), he's fine. SAW should be a good bench guard (i don't know if he has long term starter potential on a playoff team) and was fine at 17
but for 4? the 2nd biggest centerpiece asset for AD? i'm lukewarm. fair or not, turner is a factor in that. fair or not, goga being there at 17 is also a factor.
however, i would be melting the frick down if we drafted Cam Reddish, so at least we avoided that
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:10 am to SlowFlowPro
I really don't know why a deal for Turner didn't happen, and I think that Turner actually is on the block. The Pacers drafted Goga Bitadze, and, like this Pacers beat reporter says, "this is weird," and "something's coming."
If two of your best three players are 6'11" bigs, you don't go draft another 6'11" big if you're going to keep the two that you have.
I'm still hoping for a Turner trade. It makes too much sense for us and for Indiana. I really and truly don't know why it didn't happen Thursday night.
If two of your best three players are 6'11" bigs, you don't go draft another 6'11" big if you're going to keep the two that you have.
I'm still hoping for a Turner trade. It makes too much sense for us and for Indiana. I really and truly don't know why it didn't happen Thursday night.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:20 am to GOP_Tiger
agreed 100%. when they picked Goga i started to really burn about the Hayes pick b/c he's obviously on the block
maybe this is all 7D Othello and Griffin is just driving the price of Turner down
maybe this is all 7D Othello and Griffin is just driving the price of Turner down
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:27 am to GOP_Tiger
yea something is coming for them because I am 100% certain they won't go into the season with Turner, Sabonis, & Goga
not because im a pacers insider, but because that would make 0 sense to me if they did
I assume they are going to wait till FA starts and field offers. Turner will get some major interest
not because im a pacers insider, but because that would make 0 sense to me if they did
I assume they are going to wait till FA starts and field offers. Turner will get some major interest
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 7:28 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:29 am to DeionDeion
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assume they are going to wait till FA starts and field offers
they're going to dangle him to whichever team whiffs in FA and has cap room to burn
PLEASE be the Pellies. PLEASE.
we don't need $30M in fricking cap room for Christ's sake
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:39 am to DeionDeion
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yea something is coming for them because I am 100% certain they won't go into the season with Turner, Sabonis, & Goga not because im a pacers insider, but because that would make 0 sense to me if they did I assume they are going to wait till FA starts and field offers. Turner will get some major interest
All three can play the 4 and 5, why is it so hard to imagine a three big rotation when one is a 19 year old rookie?
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:44 am to Pelefraan 1
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All three can play the 4 and 5, why is it so hard to imagine a three big rotation when one is a 19 year old rookie?
because the entire issue is turner and sabonis can't co-exist on the court together. that's why turner is on the block
Goga clearly appears to be a Sabonis-lite, so it seems like he's the next in line
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
The problem is Boston just lost their center and probably one of the better packages we've thrown around for Turner was Brown and picks when we thought we'd get the Celtics deal. I would think that's a more attractive package to Indy than Moore/Wood and picks.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:55 am to Pelefraan 1
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All three can play the 4 and 5, why is it so hard to imagine a three big rotation when one is a 19 year old rookie?
because Thaddeus Young is a FA and they are about to pay him a nice contract. They already resigned Turner to a big deal $17 mil/yr) and Sabonis is due for a new contract next season.
thats a LOT of money invested in 2 positions
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:57 am to TigerinATL
Well Hayes had a Sideshow Bob chain on at the draft! That earned him some serious points in my book!
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