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re: Who we picking at 8?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
I would imagine the case would be Defense, by quite a lot.
I'm not a Davis guy though, just playing Devil's Advocate.
I'm not a Davis guy though, just playing Devil's Advocate.
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:24 am to saints5021
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:24 am to RUFshreve
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Why couldn't Mathurin play early in the season? His shooting would help our bench alot. He's a smart and hard working kid, who should pick up his role quickly.
The same was said for Trey and he didn't get serious minutes until post ASB. I'd also say the top 8 in the rotation is pretty well set. That's not counting Graham and Jaxson who might get more minutes than they deserve for trade value reasons.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
I think it’s hard to project what an 18yr becomes defensively. But good size, boosted wing span, good attitude/willingness seem to be In His favor
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:31 am to Fun Bunch
Defense, motor, handles, dribble penetration, more function athleticism, better off hand, and a more varied offensive arsenal and shot profile.
Both are good in the P&R and off the midrange. Both are good at the basket. Branham has the better percentage but Davis plays against better defensive coverage because he was the only weapon.
I think both guys are close as prospect but Davis is just further along right now and with Branham l, you’re hoping he can develop some of the things Davis already possess. It’s really picking your flavor with those 2.
Both are good in the P&R and off the midrange. Both are good at the basket. Branham has the better percentage but Davis plays against better defensive coverage because he was the only weapon.
I think both guys are close as prospect but Davis is just further along right now and with Branham l, you’re hoping he can develop some of the things Davis already possess. It’s really picking your flavor with those 2.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:33 am to Lester Earl
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What is the case for Davis over Branham
At this point, ignorance over Branham primarily
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:38 am to TigerinATL
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The same was said for Trey and he didn't get serious minutes until post ASB. I'd also say the top 8 in the rotation is pretty well set. That's not counting Graham and Jaxson who might get more minutes than they deserve for trade value reasons.
Trey is the perfect example though. When Trey was drafted he was thought of as a good defender, people were excited about the shooting but they were also excited about having this 6'8 or 6'9 long wing that could defend, and he STILL couldn't get on the court early.
Mathurin is the opposite, he's a known poor defender. Willie Green is not going to put someone out there if they can't defend, specifically off ball and team defense which is where Mathurin is at his worst.
I will never understand why we as fans just completely ignore the defensive side of the basketball, when it's so clear that's what is focused on. Some of these guys really need to take the blinders off. The whole reason Herb and Jose even got minutes to begin with is because they could defend.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
I dont mind Mathurin, but I think there is a bit of recency biased due to his 30 burger he put up in the tourney
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:48 am to CP3forMVP
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You missed the prior conversation. I would say most of us who are realistic know who ever is selected at 8 will likely not be a part of the rotation, at least not at first.
doesn't matter what the conversation was before.
The expectation when you pick 8th is that he'll get to play 20+mpg and play in at least 65 games barring injury. If he can't do that, there's about a 95% chance you drafted a bust.
Doesn't matter what type of team we are talking about, playoff team or not.
If you're top 10 pick can't earn minutes as a rookie, then he probably never will.
Give me an example of a top 10 pick that can't find the court his rookie year that ended up not being a bust.
i've made the point several times over the last 2 years. If you can play, your team will find minutes for you. Doesn't matter what team you're on. Doesn't matter where you were drafted. If you're good enough, you will play. Simple as that. Top 10 picks are given the benefit of the doubt and are generally all given ample opportunity to play their rookie year, and if they don't, it's b/c they suck.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:51 am to CP3forMVP
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I will never understand why we as fans just completely ignore the defensive side of the basketball,
I don't think people are ignoring defense with Mathurin, just saying he has the athleticism to be a plus defender and hoping that comes true (if we draft him).
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:54 am to GynoSandberg
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I dont mind Mathurin, but I think there is a bit of recency biased due to his 30 burger he put up in the tourney
Yeah I think he's a guy who can be good but people are falling in love with his ceiling and he screams "never will reach his ceiling".
I think Davis could slide into a playmaking guard role when CJ is put to pasture as a compliment to Zion/BI. He won't need to be this elite guy and he seems like he can be a primary playmaker in PNR if needed.
Davis
Ingram
Jones
Zion
x
Is a potentially good lineup with offense and defense down the line. Lots of ballhandling and playmaking and intelligence.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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Give me an example of a top 10 pick that can't find the court his rookie year that ended up not being a bust.
Cj McCollum?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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doesn't matter what the conversation was before.
The expectation when you pick 8th is that he'll get to play 20+mpg and play in at least 65 games barring injury. If he can't do that, there's about a 95% chance you drafted a bust.
Doesn't matter what type of team we are talking about, playoff team or not.
If you're top 10 pick can't earn minutes as a rookie, then he probably never will.
Give me an example of a top 10 pick that can't find the court his rookie year that ended up not being a bust.
i've made the point several times over the last 2 years. If you can play, your team will find minutes for you. Doesn't matter what team you're on. Doesn't matter where you were drafted. If you're good enough, you will play. Simple as that. Top 10 picks are given the benefit of the doubt and are generally all given ample opportunity to play their rookie year, and if they don't, it's b/c they suck.
Then don't draft Mathurin, because he won't play, which once again...is...the point
But I would say this is a pretty ridiculous post given our current roster construction and depth.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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The expectation when you pick 8th is that he'll get to play 20+mpg and play in at least 65 games barring injury. If he can't do that, there's about a 95% chance you drafted a bust.
Those expectations seem pretty unrealistic considering our current roster situation.
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If you're top 10 pick can't earn minutes as a rookie, then he probably never will.
Someone that could crack this rotation in the first half of the season is probably a future All Star. I think there's a lot of room between future All Star and bust.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:04 am to Chad504boy
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Cj McCollum?
I would be more inclined to agree with him if he was basing his argument off a say, top 4 pick. But not the 8th overall pick. That's asking to much on a playoff team that has the depth we do.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Dare I say Ochai Agbaji is who people think Mathurin is
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think people are ignoring defense with Mathurin, just saying he has the athleticism to be a plus defender and hoping that comes true (if we draft him).
I don't necessarily disagree, but that would be easier to justify if he was a guy that had a high motor on that end. But he doesn't. He's lackadaisical and unfocused on that end. How often do those types of guys turn it around?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:07 am to CP3forMVP
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That's asking to much on a playoff team that has the depth we do.
We should be able to upgrade Naji Marshall minutes at least. I'm thinking AJ Griffin with the pick, hoping he's got high ceiling potential in 2 years.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:11 am to Chad504boy
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Cj McCollum?
excellent answer. I'll give you that one. and i wasn't asking b/c i knew the answer.
54 win team with Lillard/Aldridge, young and healthy Batum and Wes Mathews, Robin Lopez and Mo Williams.
that team had rookie CJ, rookie 31st pick Allen Crabbe (15 games) and 2nd year 2nd round pick Will Barton (41 games, which was a lot less than his rookie year)
CJ didn't play at all to start the season, and that is extremely rare for a top 10 pick to do unless they are straight arse.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 10:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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excellent answer. I'll give you that one.
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