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Who owns the rights to the former stats of the Hornets?

Posted on 4/22/18 at 9:52 am
Posted by Cow Drogo
Member since Jul 2016
7390 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 9:52 am
I remember when the Hornets came to New Orleans, Larry Johnson or Alonzo were mentioned when comparing stats of franchise history to the like of Chris Paul and current Hornets at the time. The Bobcats had no history.
Now that we changed our name to pelicans, the other day I heard a stat saying our only franchise history playoff win was against the Mavericks with Chris Paul.

Do the Charlotte bobcats/now hornets inherit the old hornets franchise history stats now because of name change?
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16431 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 9:57 am to
Yes

And it doesn't matter to me. It's not like they were in nola during that time.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 9:59 am
Posted by Cow Drogo
Member since Jul 2016
7390 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 9:59 am to
It’s kind of like if the Saints moved to San Antonio as the San Antonio Saints

They would claim the 2009 super bowl as part of their franchise history along with all of Brees records.

Then New Orleans would get a team and change the name to the New Orleans dogs

After a few seasons the Sant Antonio Saints change name to the San Antonio hogs.

New Orleans dogs changes their name to New Orleans Saints.

Which team says they have Brees’ records and the 2009 SB title?
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
32911 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:02 am to
We claim everything from 02-13
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
20248 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:13 am to
The Bobcats/Hornets technically adopted all of the stats and records from the current Pels franchise’s time in Charlotte. It’s basically confusing as frick.

Personally I don’t think Benson should have given them the name back so quickly. He should have waited longer for the Pels identity to gel. It still takes me a millisecond every time I see the word “Hornets” on a sports crawl.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 10:33 am
Posted by Cow Drogo
Member since Jul 2016
7390 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:14 am to
Before Charlotte got another team,
We claimed the old Hornets history from Charlotte?
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
140990 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:20 am to
Tom Benson was gracious to allow the Charlotte Hornets to reclaim "Charlotte Hornets" history when both teams changed their names

so the way it goes is...

New Orleans Pelicans came into existence when the then-Hornets played its first game in New Orleans

Charlotte Hornets came into existence in the mid-80s, "ceased operations" when the then-Hornets moved to NOLA... and then "resumed operations" when the then-Bobcats came into existence

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:26 am to
Baltimore browns nfl champs
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
140990 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Before Charlotte got another team,
We claimed the old Hornets history from Charlotte?

the key here is the ownership change

when Shinn held the keys... he kept the history from Charlotte

when Benson took it over... he wanted to make the team distinctly Louisiana... thus the name change

he also realized what "Hornets" means to the people of Charlotte... so he gave the team name & history back

ETA: plus the fact that "Bobcats" was just the 1st owner of that team naming the team after himself
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 10:29 am
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63428 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:56 am to
Don’t think so. Stats/ records attach to the franchise, not necessarily the name.
Posted by coolneal
Lakeland, TN
Member since Nov 2007
636 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:58 am to
This is all correct, but Benson also entered the negotiation late. He offered the name back to Charlotte in return for a quick approval from the NBA owners.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63428 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:01 am to
Yep. We had the franchise.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Personally I don’t think Benson should have given them the name back so quickly.


Nah, what he should have done is negotiated a 3 way trade with the Jazz and the Charlotte franchise and if the jazz refused to play ball, threaten to name the team the Mormon sister wives, or the Magic underwear.

Let the Mormon church be forever associated with New Orleans or give us our name back. Moot point now because I have embraced the pelican name.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41156 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 1:54 pm to
Benson bought the rights to the name Pelicans, in the early 90s. Benson was going to purchase & name a AA baseball team the Pelicans, but major league baseball expanded to Colorado and the Zephrys' which were AAA took precedence. But Benson still had the rights to the name New Orleans Pelicans.
Posted by BengalShark
Member since Jul 2017
3202 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

Who owns the rights to the former stats of the Hornets?


Posted by BayouRat15
DAUPHIN ISLAND,AL
Member since Jan 2004
10182 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:54 pm to
Should of been

Utah Bobcats
Charlotte Hornets
New Orleans Jazz
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:49 am to
We're the New Orleans Pelicans

That's who we are. Shoulda, woulda, coulda...

The Utah Jazz may have the best fan base in the NBA. They love their team and name. They've earned it. No fan of the NBA would want that name back. Even in 2002 when the franchise started in New Orleans, the Jazz were a team from Utah. Seriously, without Pistol Pete, no one would have cared to know who the hell the New Orleans Jazz were.

We are the Blue, Red, and Gold Pelicans!
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:18 pm to
If we claim everything since 02 why isn't the division banner hanging?
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
6858 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:21 pm to
I just want the old jazz stats. Stats should stay with the city
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