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Who is our third option?
Posted on 8/29/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 8/29/21 at 10:21 pm
First off, thoughts go out to all the fellow Pelisons in NOLA, BR and everywhere in SE LA dealine with this storm. Hope y'all are safe.
I'm curious who yall think will be the third option on this team?
We can even break the season into two parts, beginning of the season and post all-star break.
I think Jonas Valanciunas will be the third option offensively to start the year. Dude averaged 17/12 last year and I think he'll be shooting more threes here, than he did in Memphis. Hopefully he can keep his percentage up. I don't think we've talked enough about how much he will help this team, especially when Zion and BI aren't on the floor. Too many times the bench blew big leads last year, when they left the floor. JV will help immensely with that.
Post all-star break, I think it will either be NAW or we will trade for our third option. Whether we make a big trade or not will depend primarily on who is available at the deadline and how good NAW has looked as a starter, up to that point. I have high hopes NAW can be that guy. He looked really good late last season. Third season is typically when good players make that first big leap and I think we see it from NAW this season.
So, who do y'all think will be our third option? Graham? TM3 already? Jax? Let's hear it.
I'm curious who yall think will be the third option on this team?
We can even break the season into two parts, beginning of the season and post all-star break.
I think Jonas Valanciunas will be the third option offensively to start the year. Dude averaged 17/12 last year and I think he'll be shooting more threes here, than he did in Memphis. Hopefully he can keep his percentage up. I don't think we've talked enough about how much he will help this team, especially when Zion and BI aren't on the floor. Too many times the bench blew big leads last year, when they left the floor. JV will help immensely with that.
Post all-star break, I think it will either be NAW or we will trade for our third option. Whether we make a big trade or not will depend primarily on who is available at the deadline and how good NAW has looked as a starter, up to that point. I have high hopes NAW can be that guy. He looked really good late last season. Third season is typically when good players make that first big leap and I think we see it from NAW this season.
So, who do y'all think will be our third option? Graham? TM3 already? Jax? Let's hear it.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:19 am to RUFshreve
Graham and Jonas will carry a significant chunk of the load, but scoring outside of Zion and BI will definitely be by committee. I hope we won’t have to lean on JV too heavily on offense.
We’re a deep team with a lot of guys who can make an impact, the issue will be consistency.
If NAW, Hayes, Kira all take a step this year plus is Murphy is as good as he flashed in Summer League, this team is scary. But…that’s a lot of ifs.
We’re a deep team with a lot of guys who can make an impact, the issue will be consistency.
If NAW, Hayes, Kira all take a step this year plus is Murphy is as good as he flashed in Summer League, this team is scary. But…that’s a lot of ifs.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:15 am to RUFshreve
Valanciunas led the league last year in put-back points, at 5.7 per game. And that's the problem with putting him out on the perimeter to shoot 3s: you lose his awesome offensive rebounding. Yes, Zion is also fantastic at getting OREBs and put-backs, so JV will shoot a few more 3s than he did in Memphis, but we aren't going to park him on the perimeter.
We're better off with NAW driving to the rim and putting up an awkward shot that, by itself, is a low-efficiency shot, because the chance that JV or Zion gets the rebound and puts it in is very high.
So, I think that our third option could be either JV or NAW, depending on what the other team does. If they don't have a center in the game who can play good post defense, then JV will work his old-school post moves for points. Otherwise, a NAW drive is a better option.
Graham is going to be the only one in our starting five who isn't going to create a lot of his own shots in the halfcourt.
We're better off with NAW driving to the rim and putting up an awkward shot that, by itself, is a low-efficiency shot, because the chance that JV or Zion gets the rebound and puts it in is very high.
So, I think that our third option could be either JV or NAW, depending on what the other team does. If they don't have a center in the game who can play good post defense, then JV will work his old-school post moves for points. Otherwise, a NAW drive is a better option.
Graham is going to be the only one in our starting five who isn't going to create a lot of his own shots in the halfcourt.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:00 am to GOP_Tiger
I really think Jonas is the 3rd option this year. As previously stated, he gets ORebs and he’s physical and confident in his shot at the rim. I’m hoping he averages about 2.5 to 3 Triples attempted per game. It would open the floor for us a ton! And, Zion is still very unsure of his shot outside of 6 feet. So when JV is sitting on perimeter it allows Zion to attack the basket or crash the offensive glass. Zion also could handle more on ball duty when JV is used around the perimeter; which is what we want to see for his next step in development. I think zion averages 25-27 points per game and flirts with 5 assists per game. Ingram will be second, and should stay around the 23-25 PPG range. Jonas I think puts up 15 pts, 10.5 Rebs per game. 4th option: Devonta Graham CAN create for himself Sometimes. He is at least aggressive attacking the rim, although not the most efficient about it, or on his pull up jumpers. I think he’s gonna be in that 13-16 ppg range with about 6.5 assists, and around 43.5% or so from the
Field. 5th option has gotta be Naw. I think he averages right around what Graham does in points per game but way less in assists. Trey Murphy will be a low usage but efficient 3 and D guy for 1-2 years before making some more small improvements IMO. He will eventually be that long defender who can guard the opponents premier wing, hit 3s and frees at a great rate, and low usage (doesn’t need the ball in his hands to score or be effective. Will eventually be that 10-14 ppg guy who helps our overall effectiveness and winning but won’t often lead the team in scoring.
Field. 5th option has gotta be Naw. I think he averages right around what Graham does in points per game but way less in assists. Trey Murphy will be a low usage but efficient 3 and D guy for 1-2 years before making some more small improvements IMO. He will eventually be that long defender who can guard the opponents premier wing, hit 3s and frees at a great rate, and low usage (doesn’t need the ball in his hands to score or be effective. Will eventually be that 10-14 ppg guy who helps our overall effectiveness and winning but won’t often lead the team in scoring.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:34 am to HEAVYtiger23
quote:
Devonta Graham CAN create for himself Sometimes. He is at least aggressive attacking the rim, although not the most efficient about it,
Yeah, what I was saying about NAW holds true for Graham as well: an inefficient shot isn't necessarily an inefficient play when we have two of the league's top ten offensive rebounders on the floor together. Even when you sub Hayes in for one of them, our OREB potential drops very little -- we will still punish teams on the offensive glass.
As long as our offense can eliminate turnovers, it will be very efficient.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/30/21 at 8:26 am to GOP_Tiger
As good as JV and Zion are at offensive rebounding, our 3rd best option is probably letting Graham or NAW throw up some crazy lay up or floater and try for a put back
Posted on 8/30/21 at 8:33 am to jmcwhrter
jv sometimes just tosses ball toward the target. he expects to get the board.
I saw 6 or 8 games of memphis.
only time jv looked lost was vs Rudy gobert. gobert blocked his too flat shot. gobert took boards. gobert >>>> jv
I saw 6 or 8 games of memphis.
only time jv looked lost was vs Rudy gobert. gobert blocked his too flat shot. gobert took boards. gobert >>>> jv
Posted on 8/30/21 at 8:44 am to GOP_Tiger
I agree and I'm not talking about parking JV out on the perimeter at all. I only mean I see him taking 2-3 three point shots a game, instead of the 1 per game or whatever he averaged last year. He also is a good mid-range shooting big, so even that stretches the floor for Zion and BI considerably, especially compared to Steven Adams.
But I agree you primarily want him around the rim, which is why I think he will be a crucial piece anytime Zion is off the floor.
But I agree you primarily want him around the rim, which is why I think he will be a crucial piece anytime Zion is off the floor.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:33 am to CelticDog
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Gobert>>>>>>> JV
I don’t think anyone is arguing Gobert as the better center. Wasn’t anything to do with the question. And Gobert wouldn’t be the third option offensively on his team or this one
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:16 pm to HEAVYtiger23
The one thing i like about this team is every starter should average double figures. I beieve this will be the starting line-up:
Jonas
BI
Zion
NAW
Graham
Jonas
BI
Zion
NAW
Graham
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:33 pm to Earthquake
It bothers me to go into the season with Val being an expiring contract. I don't think they should extend him, cause it might end up like Adams if he falls off. I just wish we had an option on him for the next season. I don't want him walking for nothing and I don't want to overpay for a one year flash in the pan (ala Asik).
I know Val is an upgrade over Adams. But I liked our Center situation with Adams. He was locked into a bit of an overpay contract. He could split time with Hayes until Hayes was ready to take over. Then be a solid back up if Hayes was ready the next season. Or we would have to go back to the drawing board (unless Zion could play Center full time).
Now Val is in a prove it year and Hayes is playing for a big extension too. Hopefully one shines. But that it going to cost the other. I just don't see how they both get to have big seasons. I don't think this has a happy ending for both..
I know Val is an upgrade over Adams. But I liked our Center situation with Adams. He was locked into a bit of an overpay contract. He could split time with Hayes until Hayes was ready to take over. Then be a solid back up if Hayes was ready the next season. Or we would have to go back to the drawing board (unless Zion could play Center full time).
Now Val is in a prove it year and Hayes is playing for a big extension too. Hopefully one shines. But that it going to cost the other. I just don't see how they both get to have big seasons. I don't think this has a happy ending for both..
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:56 am to brmark70816
quote:
Val is in a prove it year and Hayes is playing for a big extension too.
1. jv has nothing to prove.
he's an excellent rebounder and good but not great around the basket. decent but unspectacular passer.
17 and 7 as starter.
if he gets 14 and 7.5 on 24 minutes a game you get your money worth.
2. hayes
like you say
one of them will get less run and I predict that hayes gets less than 20.
he can run with kira and satoransky vs 2nd teams.
This post was edited on 9/1/21 at 7:58 am
Posted on 9/1/21 at 10:40 am to brmark70816
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I don't want him walking for nothing and I don't want to overpay for a one year flash in the pan (ala Asik).
I understand what you mean, but cmon, we are not going to sit here and compare JV to Asik. That’s criminal. JV has been good for several years
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