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What would you do at Center this offseason?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 9:58 am
I think we can all mostly agree that Favors is not the guy.
The problem is going to be we are going to have limited (if any) cap space, so we will either need to roll with someone on the roster, a rookie, a bargain, a trade, or re-sign Favors.
Here are Free Agent Centers:
Whiteside
Gasol
Biyombo
Thompson
Noel
Mahinmi
Plumee
Leonard
Baynes
Len
Howard
Zizic
And some PFs we could play next to Zion:
Millsap
Ibaka
Marcus Morris
Henson
Harrell
We would also have to look at trade targets.
How would you address the position this fall? Targets? Trade targets?
The problem is going to be we are going to have limited (if any) cap space, so we will either need to roll with someone on the roster, a rookie, a bargain, a trade, or re-sign Favors.
Here are Free Agent Centers:
Whiteside
Gasol
Biyombo
Thompson
Noel
Mahinmi
Plumee
Leonard
Baynes
Len
Howard
Zizic
And some PFs we could play next to Zion:
Millsap
Ibaka
Marcus Morris
Henson
Harrell
We would also have to look at trade targets.
How would you address the position this fall? Targets? Trade targets?
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:09 am to Fun Bunch
Not a huge fan of Whiteside’s game, but he would do exactly what we expected Favors to do- rebound and protect the paint. I don’t think there’s any way that he demands as much as he’s making currently.
If we want a mobile and floor spacing 5, we’re gonna have to look at the trade market. I have a feeling we will be very active in the trade market this offseason, and I don’t think anyone besides Zion and BI are safe.
We don’t have a shot in hell to get Myles Turner
If we want a mobile and floor spacing 5, we’re gonna have to look at the trade market. I have a feeling we will be very active in the trade market this offseason, and I don’t think anyone besides Zion and BI are safe.
We don’t have a shot in hell to get Myles Turner
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:10 am to NolaTiger52
quote:
Not a huge fan of Whiteside’s game, but he would do exactly what we expected Favors to do- rebound and protect the paint
Exactly what I was thinking. I have no idea what his "advanced stats" are but give me the guy averaging almost 14 rebounds per game and 3 blocks per game
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
Trade Hayes, Frank, and some picks for Myles Turner.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:20 am to ForeverLSU5
Not enough to get Turner especially with Sabonis’s injury.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:21 am to ForeverLSU5
quote:
Trade Hayes, Frank, and some picks for Myles Turner.
We talk about how shite Hayes and Frank are every game. Why in the frick would Indiana take this trade?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:22 am to NolaTiger52
quote:
Why in the frick would Indiana take this trade?
Throw in 2 of the Laker's picks. Could include NAW also.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:22 am to Fun Bunch
This whole thread is going to be people screaming Myles Turner all day.... which is tiring
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:28 am to GeauxTigersGo
I won't because honestly I really haven't watched him play much. Only when the pelicans play them. I do see he shoots a decent 3 
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
I agree that Turner will probably cost too much, but Griffin really needs to test those waters. I, like everyone else, love Turner on this team for the normal reasons given (ability to space the floor, rim protection, etc.) But him being a threat behind the arc helps in a couple other ways that I do not see mentioned often. Not only does it create clear lanes to the rim for Zion, but it also helps hide Turner’s lack of offensive rebounding, while enhancing Zion’s. Also, by having Turner beyond the arc at the top of the key allows him to get back on defense and protect the rim against transition baskets, something the Pels have been getting absolutely HAMMERED on all year.
The one thing that worries me is that we rely on the 5 to get a lot of defensive rebounds with Zion and Ingram on the floor. I know some of it is scheme with Zion purposefully leaking out to get into transition, but we’ve had problems keeping teams off the glass all year and that’s with Favors who is a better rebounder than Turner. Though there is some reason for optimism that Turner can make a jump in that category. Consider this:
Favors has a career DRB% of 21.6% and a TRB% of 16.4%. A large number of those seasons however came in Utah with Favors sharing the floor with other rebounding bigs. In this last year with the Pels, Favors DRB% shot up to 29% and his TRB% increased to 21.3%
For comparison, Turner has a career TRB% of 13.1%, but that is in large part to his low ORB% of 5.6%. Turner’s career DRB% is 20.3%, similar to Favors. Also similar to Favors, Turner has shared the floor with other good rebounding front court players (Paul George, Thad Young, and Sabonis).
If we think that Turner can take on a bigger role, ala Favors this year, on the defensive glass, then he is worth a lot more to this team than to maybe any other in the league. Question is, what would you be comfortable giving up?
In the end, it’s more likely the team just keeps Favors rather than being able to pry away Turner. If I’m the Pels, I’m reaching out to Ibaka/Gasol or seeing if I can get Baynes for cheap. We know we had interest in Horford in FA, so I imagine we’ll check the trade price on him too. I’d be happy to just get Baynes at this point
The one thing that worries me is that we rely on the 5 to get a lot of defensive rebounds with Zion and Ingram on the floor. I know some of it is scheme with Zion purposefully leaking out to get into transition, but we’ve had problems keeping teams off the glass all year and that’s with Favors who is a better rebounder than Turner. Though there is some reason for optimism that Turner can make a jump in that category. Consider this:
Favors has a career DRB% of 21.6% and a TRB% of 16.4%. A large number of those seasons however came in Utah with Favors sharing the floor with other rebounding bigs. In this last year with the Pels, Favors DRB% shot up to 29% and his TRB% increased to 21.3%
For comparison, Turner has a career TRB% of 13.1%, but that is in large part to his low ORB% of 5.6%. Turner’s career DRB% is 20.3%, similar to Favors. Also similar to Favors, Turner has shared the floor with other good rebounding front court players (Paul George, Thad Young, and Sabonis).
If we think that Turner can take on a bigger role, ala Favors this year, on the defensive glass, then he is worth a lot more to this team than to maybe any other in the league. Question is, what would you be comfortable giving up?
In the end, it’s more likely the team just keeps Favors rather than being able to pry away Turner. If I’m the Pels, I’m reaching out to Ibaka/Gasol or seeing if I can get Baynes for cheap. We know we had interest in Horford in FA, so I imagine we’ll check the trade price on him too. I’d be happy to just get Baynes at this point
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:34 am to Fun Bunch
Marc Gasol. Play him about 20-25 mpg. He can still be effective on D and has a lot more range than Favors to help with spacing.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:38 am to NolaTiger52
Turner is a pipe dream, so will not mention him. Whiteside has some great parts of his game, but some terrible ones as well. He is just a mess on defense and mental lapses appear to be his most common trait. Part of me agrees with he mentality of getting 2 reasonably priced options and split the minutes. One of those could be a league minimum guy like Isaiah Hartenstein who played well in the GLeague and is still very young and maybe a veteran that would not cost too much like Baynes. Thompson may not be a bad vet either and has a history with Griffin, but may still be wanting a higher contract.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:38 am to Baron
Gasol would be a good fit imo he can space the floor, good defender,champion experience, veteran so shouldn’t cost too much.
Thompson would also be a good fit in a different way. A good defender and excellent rebounder.
Thompson would also be a good fit in a different way. A good defender and excellent rebounder.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:41 am to Baron
quote:Well thought out analysis. However, the Pacers would likely want a huge return if they even would consider it.
I agree that Turner will probably cost too much, but Griffin really needs to test those waters. I, like everyone else, love Turner on this team for the normal reasons given (ability to space the floor, rim protection, etc.) But him being a threat behind the arc helps in a couple other ways that I do not see mentioned often. Not only does it create clear lanes to the rim for Zion, but it also helps hide Turner’s lack of offensive rebounding, while enhancing Zion’s. Also, by having Turner beyond the arc at the top of the key allows him to get back on defense and protect the rim against transition baskets, something the Pels have been getting absolutely HAMMERED on all year.
The one thing that worries me is that we rely on the 5 to get a lot of defensive rebounds with Zion and Ingram on the floor. I know some of it is scheme with Zion purposefully leaking out to get into transition, but we’ve had problems keeping teams off the glass all year and that’s with Favors who is a better rebounder than Turner. Though there is some reason for optimism that Turner can make a jump in that category. Consider this:
Favors has a career DRB% of 21.6% and a TRB% of 16.4%. A large number of those seasons however came in Utah with Favors sharing the floor with other rebounding bigs. In this last year with the Pels, Favors DRB% shot up to 29% and his TRB% increased to 21.3%
For comparison, Turner has a career TRB% of 13.1%, but that is in large part to his low ORB% of 5.6%. Turner’s career DRB% is 20.3%, similar to Favors. Also similar to Favors, Turner has shared the floor with other good rebounding front court players (Paul George, Thad Young, and Sabonis).
If we think that Turner can take on a bigger role, ala Favors this year, on the defensive glass, then he is worth a lot more to this team than to maybe any other in the league. Question is, what would you be comfortable giving up?
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:42 am to NolaTiger52
quote:
Not a huge fan of Whiteside’s game, but he would do exactly what we expected Favors to do- rebound and protect the paint
let me clarify something about whiteside
he gets blocks, but he's terrible on defense
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:42 am to lovepurplelivegold14
quote:My concern with Gasol is whether he would have any interest in a young "rebuilding" situation at his age. I would think he would consider a backup role on a contender instead.
Gasol would be a good fit imo he can space the floor, good defender,champion experience, veteran so shouldn’t cost too much.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:47 am to NOSHAU
My understanding is that people around TOR believe that both Gasol and Ibaka could hit the market if Giannis does not sign his extension and TOR feels like they have a shot at him. If Giannis is not available, TOR will re-sign at least one and maybe even both. It’s also my understanding that people around TOR believe that if either hit the market, multiple contending teams will make a run at them. I really liked Ibaka’s (or Gasol’s) fit on this team and the idea of him being a stop gap while Hayes continues to develop. Unfortunately, I think the odds of signing Ibaka are not as good as they seem.
If the Pels want to go the stop gap route, Baynes is the more viable option. He’s unrestricted and PHO might not even try to re-sign if they think they have a shot at other targets. His market might be even harder to pin down than Favors though. I’ve seen projections anywhere from 1/5mill to 3/30+mill, so who knows.
If the Pels want to go the stop gap route, Baynes is the more viable option. He’s unrestricted and PHO might not even try to re-sign if they think they have a shot at other targets. His market might be even harder to pin down than Favors though. I’ve seen projections anywhere from 1/5mill to 3/30+mill, so who knows.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Not a huge fan of Whiteside’s game, but he would do exactly what we expected Favors to do- rebound and protect the paint
quote:
Not a huge fan of Whiteside’s game, but he would do exactly what we expected Favors to do- rebound and protect the paint
quote:
let me clarify something about whiteside
he gets blocks, but he's terrible on defense
Ding. Ding. Ding.
He is a defensive stat chaser that puts up good numbers but doesn't actually help your defense. He is constantly out of position and giving up easy baskets because he is chasing after blocks. Also, he really isn't the best locker room guy.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:07 am to Fun Bunch
Our new 5 has to be able to spread the floor, either by shooting well from 3, or being an elite rim runner.
I am sick and tired of seeing Derrick Favors get in the way of guys driving to the goal, and i'm tired of seeing his man play zone defense and not worry about him.
Whiteside - No. Can't shoot. Hate his attitude.
Gasol - no. Too old
Biyombo - No. Been in the league 9 years, attempted 2 threes.
Thompson - I assume this is Tristan Thompson. Absolutely not.
Noel - No. Doesn't fit this team unless Jaxson takes a huge leap and he's the backup.
Mahinmi - good defender. can't shoot. no different than Favors
Plumee - neither one can shoot, but i wouldn't mind Mason as our bruiser.
Leonard - Would really like. Has shot over 42% from deep the last 3 years. Has lots of injury issues though.
Baynes - Would not mind. Good defender. getting better at the 3, 35% the last two years. Hard nose guy that plays with a lot of effort, which is what we need.
Len - Not a particularly good defender, and can't shoot a three anymore.
Howard - No. Need no explanation
Zizic - No. Has never shot a three. Not a great defender.
If you can't shoot the three well, then you better be an elite defender.
Millsap - would not mind even though he's old.
Ibaka - same as Millsap
Marcus Morris - Yes, but i think he's going to a contender
Henson - nah. i guess as a minimum guy to be a backup, sure.
Harrell - would love his intensity.
Myles Turner is the obvious trade target.
I also think one of the Orlando big man is as well, mainly Aaron Gordon. Would love Jonathon Isaac, but doubt he's available, and his injury surely doesn't help. Pretty sure they are all in with Bamba and Isaac going forward, and no one wants Vucevic at $28M/yr for 3 more years. Gordon has to go if they are resigning Isaac and Bamba, as well as Fultz.
If Washington wants to reset a bit, then Thomas Bryant would be a nice target. shot 42% from 3 this year in his 3rd year. Not sure about his defense, as i haven't watched the Wizards at all.
I"m sure Dewayne Dedmon could be had easily from the Hawks, although i'm not sure about his mindset over the last year.
Wish we would have taken a chance on Naz Reid. Ok defender and can shoot
Juan Hernangomez will be a FA. Had a nice season in Minny after being traded from Denver. Only 14 games but he shot 42% from 3. 36% for his career.
I am sick and tired of seeing Derrick Favors get in the way of guys driving to the goal, and i'm tired of seeing his man play zone defense and not worry about him.
Whiteside - No. Can't shoot. Hate his attitude.
Gasol - no. Too old
Biyombo - No. Been in the league 9 years, attempted 2 threes.
Thompson - I assume this is Tristan Thompson. Absolutely not.
Noel - No. Doesn't fit this team unless Jaxson takes a huge leap and he's the backup.
Mahinmi - good defender. can't shoot. no different than Favors
Plumee - neither one can shoot, but i wouldn't mind Mason as our bruiser.
Leonard - Would really like. Has shot over 42% from deep the last 3 years. Has lots of injury issues though.
Baynes - Would not mind. Good defender. getting better at the 3, 35% the last two years. Hard nose guy that plays with a lot of effort, which is what we need.
Len - Not a particularly good defender, and can't shoot a three anymore.
Howard - No. Need no explanation
Zizic - No. Has never shot a three. Not a great defender.
If you can't shoot the three well, then you better be an elite defender.
Millsap - would not mind even though he's old.
Ibaka - same as Millsap
Marcus Morris - Yes, but i think he's going to a contender
Henson - nah. i guess as a minimum guy to be a backup, sure.
Harrell - would love his intensity.
Myles Turner is the obvious trade target.
I also think one of the Orlando big man is as well, mainly Aaron Gordon. Would love Jonathon Isaac, but doubt he's available, and his injury surely doesn't help. Pretty sure they are all in with Bamba and Isaac going forward, and no one wants Vucevic at $28M/yr for 3 more years. Gordon has to go if they are resigning Isaac and Bamba, as well as Fultz.
If Washington wants to reset a bit, then Thomas Bryant would be a nice target. shot 42% from 3 this year in his 3rd year. Not sure about his defense, as i haven't watched the Wizards at all.
I"m sure Dewayne Dedmon could be had easily from the Hawks, although i'm not sure about his mindset over the last year.
Wish we would have taken a chance on Naz Reid. Ok defender and can shoot
Juan Hernangomez will be a FA. Had a nice season in Minny after being traded from Denver. Only 14 games but he shot 42% from 3. 36% for his career.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Thomas Bryant would be a nice target....Not sure about his defense, as i haven't watched the Wizards at all.
I’ll save you the trouble. It’s nonexistent. Like maybe worse than Hayes bad
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