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Posted on 2/6/11 at 1:34 pm to xiv
Posted on 2/6/11 at 1:34 pm to xiv
So, basically, what you're saying is, since they "penetrated" more, which lead to more fouls for them?? Nah, they maybe got 4 or 5 of their fouls from penetration, the rest were on tickytack shits, so 5 of 22 is 17right? How do you call 17 fouls from touch fouls?? Big discrepancy don't you think? and in the 4th quarter that you continuously bring up, both teams fell for a bunch of jumpers... and wow congrats on bringing up the 06 finals, that brings nothing here when I'm pretty sure Shaq had a major part in winning that championship?
and your last bolded line is the biggest bull shite I ever seen, ask durant, ask bryant and many others how they seem to get fouls without driving that much, since you clearly said, "
Nah, not in the least...
and your last bolded line is the biggest bull shite I ever seen, ask durant, ask bryant and many others how they seem to get fouls without driving that much, since you clearly said, "
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If you have no shot attempts in the paint, you're not going to the free throw line.
Nah, not in the least...
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 1:44 pm to xiv
Dude it was completely obvious the Lakers were getting calls. Looking at the stats just confirmed it.
Also the Hornets average about 15 attempts a game excluding the 3 players that did not pay the other night. So the Other Gornets are clearly capable of getting to the line.
The Lakers give up about 20 attempts to their opponents.
The Hormets played fantastic considering the injuries and huge officiating discrepancy. The discrepancy was similar to the advantage the Lakers received in the Finals last year. It was complete bull shite.
Also the Hornets average about 15 attempts a game excluding the 3 players that did not pay the other night. So the Other Gornets are clearly capable of getting to the line.
The Lakers give up about 20 attempts to their opponents.
The Hormets played fantastic considering the injuries and huge officiating discrepancy. The discrepancy was similar to the advantage the Lakers received in the Finals last year. It was complete bull shite.
This post was edited on 2/6/11 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/6/11 at 1:52 pm to JayJay2
quote:Bryant doesn't drive that much?
ask bryant and many others how they seem to get fouls without driving that much
Look, the Hornets went cold from outside, so the Lakers played back. They crowded the paint. We had the lead in the 4th and then went 6-22. And you wanna blame the refs? Go ahead.
quote:I don't wanna be the guy who says "Obviously you've never played the game," but assuming you have played the game, how often did/do you get fouled on a jumper? At least 90% of pre-bonus free throws come from drives. The Hornets didn't drive much last night.
If you have no shot attempts in the paint, you're not going to the free throw line.
Nah, not in the least...
When you don't make your outside shots, nobody comes out to guard you. When nobody comes out to guard you, it's impossible to penetrate against a team like the Lakers. When you don't penetrate, and all you do is shoot (and miss) wide-open jumpers, how many free throws should you expect to shoot?
This post was edited on 2/6/11 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:07 pm to xiv
We didn't lose this game because of the refs.
Injuries is a legit reason.
Injuries is a legit reason.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:08 pm to xiv
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Bryant doesn't drive that much?
Look, the Hornets went cold from outside, so the Lakers played back. They crowded the paint. We had the lead in the 4th and then went 6-22. And you wanna blame the refs? Go ahead.
Last game is what we're talking about, and Bryant this year haven't drove much... he gets majority of his fouls on tip tap slaps and phantom calls...
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I don't wanna be the guy who says "Obviously you've never played the game," but assuming you have played the game, how often did/do you get fouled on a jumper? At least 90% of pre-bonus free throws come from drives. The Hornets didn't drive much last night.
When you don't make your outside shots, nobody comes out to guard you. When nobody comes out to guard you, it's impossible to penetrate against a team like the Lakers. When you don't penetrate, and all you do is shoot (and miss) wide-open jumpers, how many free throws should you expect to shoot?
I don't wanna be the guy who says "have you watched an NBA game before" but assuming you have how often does people get called on a foul as a" touch foul" or "he touched his elbow when he jumps" foul?
when you get rebounds and loose ball fouls aren't called and the same fouls called on the lakers aren't called on the Hornets, how do you expect them to win games?
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:24 pm to xiv
You are saying the officiating was a non factor because the bad officiating didn't happen as much at the end. Fouls accumulated during the course of the game matter. It effects everything from substitutions to free throw attempts by being in the penalty to even, yes, how aggressive a team is. If you aren't getting calls why bother penetrating the lane and taking tougher shots?
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:45 pm to JayJay2
The Hornets and the Lakers also shot a similar number of shots in the paint.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 3:04 pm to xiv
quote:Did you not see this?
If you have no shot attempts in the paint, you're not going to the free throw line.
LA 36 points in the paint.
NO 34 points in the paint.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 4:50 pm to TigerinATL
quote:No. I'm saying it's a very minor factor. Poor shooting, no penetration, injuries, and poor general 4th quarter game planning all were bigger factors.
You are saying the officiating was a non factor
Posted on 2/6/11 at 4:51 pm to Louie T
quote:I did. The fourth quarter was a focus because the hornets had only TWO points in the paint in the 4th. Why? The Lakers beat us. They outsmarted us. It happens. It's a great, veteran team with a slick coach.
Posted by Louie T quote: If you have no shot attempts in the paint, you're not going to the free throw line. Did you not see this? LA 36 points in the paint. NO 34 points in the paint.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 5:23 pm to xiv
So why no foul calls early in the game when we were scoring in the paint?
Posted on 2/6/11 at 5:45 pm to Louie T
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Did you not see this?
LA 36 points in the paint.
NO 34 points in the paint.
Don't bother. It doesn't support his point of view so it doesn't exist. Notice his first argument was that we shot 21 3 pointers so we must not have been penetrating. That was then discarded as pointless when someone said the Lakers shot 18.
He's one of those guys who type a lot of bullshite but don't actually read anything unless you're agreeing with his (wrong) point of view on the issue.
Posted on 2/6/11 at 11:59 pm to Louie T
quote:Bad calls and bad luck. shite happens.
So why no foul calls early in the game when we were scoring in the paint?
But....
When you have a lead in the fourth quarter at home, and you go 6-22 with no penetration shots, you won't get many free throws, and it isn't the fault of the officials. That's how basketball works.
I realize that a lot of our fans are sore losers because they hate the Lakers (I do, too), but they're wrong here. There are plenty of reasons we lost before we address foul no-calls in the 2nd quarter. That's pussy-talk.
Posted on 2/7/11 at 6:57 am to xiv
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When you have a lead in the fourth quarter at home, and you go 6-22 with no penetration shots, you won't get many free throws, and it isn't the fault of the officials
Stop being so willfully obtuse
No one is saying we were robbed like the non goal tending calls against Thornton. Just because it didn't directly effect the outcome of a play at the end doesn't mean there wasn't an effect on the game. I'm more pissed over the state of officiating in the NBA in general. This is an egregious example of how unfair the officiating can be and most of us watch pro sports because it's exciting and anything can happen in a wide open competition. The refs shite all over the purity of the game by being so partial in their officiating.Posted on 2/7/11 at 8:29 am to TigerinATL
Yeah, xiv and the refs seem like they are upset that Kobe didn't invite them to his hotel room in Colorado and don't want to miss that next opportunity.
Posted on 2/7/11 at 8:32 am to xiv
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we ran out of gas because two of our most important players were out. We didn't have much muscle down low, and it's almost impossible to beat LAL when that's the case. Lack of strength + two starters out = 13 in the 4th quarter
No doubt this is true. And, yes, if you get into the lane you'll get more calls. I'm not at all saying the refs cost the Hornets the game, but I do say Lakers get the benefit of the doubt on calls at times.
ETA: We absolutely need Okafor plus inspired play by Mbenga, Gray and Andersen to compete on a consistent basis with L.A. Actually, we need another quality big by the trade deadline. Not sure who that could be a at this point.
This post was edited on 2/7/11 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/7/11 at 9:49 am to VOR
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Actually, we need another quality big by the trade deadline. Not sure who that could be a at this point.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if that were accomplished. We honestly can't afford to package anyone with Banks. Maybe Pavlovic makes Belinelli expendable and you package him, but the Hornets don't have enough spare parts to give any up. A buyout and sign scenario may be the best way to improve the talent level on the team. Unfortunately while Jamison and Murphy would be useful, they aren't the rugged bigs we need. Guys are just going to have to keep stepping up if Demps can't pull a rabbit out of his hat.
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