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re: This is a great trade for the Pels
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:41 am to roguepelican
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:41 am to roguepelican
I think the trade was an A- right now. How we move forward with Adams really dictates whether it stays the same, or possibly goes up and down. I don't want him to be one and done, but I also don't want to resign him for anywhere near 27M a year, and I don't want to give him a long term deal.
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:50 am to ErikGordan
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Pels could have signed RoLo. Lopez is pretty much Adams.
Only we couldn't because we didn't have cap space. The only way we were getting a good center was to trade for one. We had to send out salary to take on salary. The pieces we gave up player wise were jack and shite.
Literally the only thing of value we lost in the new version vs. the old was the lottery protected 1st, which isn't as valuable as what we got back.
At the end of the day we turned Jrue into 2 1sts, 2 pick swaps, Bledsoe, and Adams, considering the 1st we gave up wasn't ours to begin with.
If you told me we could turn Jrue into a marginally less version of him, a very good starting center, and 2 1sts I would have jumped on that faster than my wife's pussy.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:54 am to CP3forMVP
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How we move forward with Adams really dictates whether it stays the same, or possibly goes up and down.
I think the only way it goes down is if we resign him to a huge contract.
If he resigns for half or less, I'd put it as an extra win. If he leaves, we still cleared a ton of cap for a much better free agent class so I'd put it as a push.
Hell if we play it right we could sign a really good player or 2, resign Adams after, and actually use the exceptions next year and make a legit run.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:11 am to bonethug0180
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Only we couldn't because we didn't have cap space.
MLE?
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:15 am to Epic Cajun
We had to wait until the trade was done to be able to use it (because it made a difference on if we could use the full amount of just partial).
Based on what Gale said though, she didn't seem eager to spend more than we needed to. She basically said she would if we needed to.
So whether the trade took too long to finalize and we missed out on who was there or Gale just didn't want to spend the extra can be argued, but it doesn't look like we were going to use it.
Also, it wouldn't have gotten us a player even close to the caliber of Adams.
Based on what Gale said though, she didn't seem eager to spend more than we needed to. She basically said she would if we needed to.
So whether the trade took too long to finalize and we missed out on who was there or Gale just didn't want to spend the extra can be argued, but it doesn't look like we were going to use it.
Also, it wouldn't have gotten us a player even close to the caliber of Adams.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:51 am to bonethug0180
quote:I agree that Adams is better than Lopez, but if Lopez was willing to sign and come here on the MLE, we could've done that with the initial iteration of the trade, while keeping Hill and the first for another trade.
Also, it wouldn't have gotten us a player even close to the caliber of Adams.
I'm not opposed to the trade, but just saying that we could've signed a center with the MLE and made other moves with Hill and the first if we wanted to.
ETA: What I'm saying is that we could've signed Ingram to the max, guaranteed Miller, done the initial version of the trade just between us and Milwaukee, and still had the MLE left to use and we would be below our current cap number. It wouldn't have to have been a partial MLE.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:02 am to Epic Cajun
There is no doubt that the Adams trade was a costly acquisition, We basically chose Adams over a bundle of players/picks that would have more total 2K value for sure. Griff is betting that the intangibles like vocal leadership make Adams a quarter and worth skipping the $.35 worth of dimes and nickels he could have gotten instead.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
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There is no doubt that the Adams trade was a costly acquisition, We basically chose Adams over a bundle of players/picks that would have more total 2K value for sure. Griff is betting that the intangibles like vocal leadership make Adams a quarter and worth skipping the $.35 worth of dimes and nickels he could have gotten instead.
For sure, I'm "pro-trade" at the moment. And will stay that way as long as we don't sign Adams to a huge contract next offseason (or some unforeseen circumstance like an injury or something).
Griff is betting on culture and talent, rather than talent alone.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
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There is no doubt that the Adams trade was a costly acquisition, We basically chose Adams over a bundle of players/picks that would have more total 2K value for sure. Griff is betting that the intangibles like vocal leadership make Adams a quarter and worth skipping the $.35 worth of dimes and nickels he could have gotten instead.
Right.
It is perfectly reasonable to question the cost at this point, but also say you like the player and what he brings to the table.
This one after all the smoke has started to clear isn't 100% cut and dry.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
And it won't be until we see what happens with Adams after the season, how much help Adams actual is for us, and what that 1st we gave up turns into.
The biggest piece imo is what Adams does for us this year, with what we do with him being a very close 2nd. I don't expect the pick to be that great of a player, being lottery protected and all. But you never know.
The biggest piece imo is what Adams does for us this year, with what we do with him being a very close 2nd. I don't expect the pick to be that great of a player, being lottery protected and all. But you never know.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:48 am to ErikGordan
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Pels could have signed RoLo. Lopez is pretty much Adams.
Robin Lopez is not Steven Adams. There's a reason Adams got a 4/$100M contract and Lopez has barely sniffed above MLE money his whole career, except from the idiotic Knicks. Adams is 5 years younger than Lopez, and is a better player without a doubt, but i do see your point as i have pretty much always advocated for skimping on paying a 5 big money.
I seriously doubt we traded for Adams just to make salaries work or to let him go this offseason. He was chosen as our 5 for the near future with this trade, or at worst, someone to send out near the deadline for a big time player so salaries can match. He's without a doubt not getting $27M this offseason. He's more likely to get Capela money, around $18M/yr, and i'd be very happy with that, and that assumes that he works well with this team this year. It's not like we are forced to give him a contract next season. We weren't forced to keep Derrick Favors, and we didn't, b/c he didn't work out well here.
I think we need to look for teams that are somewhat good that can't get over the hump that need to get rid of that second guy, while also making it possible for them to have enough cap space in the offseason to offer a max contract. McCollum and Ben Simmons fit that criteria.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:50 am to bonethug0180
quote:Yeah, the upside for that pick is limited, because it doesn't have lottery potential. Not nearly in the same category of the Lakers or Bucks picks.
I don't expect the pick to be that great of a player, being lottery protected and all. But you never know.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:03 am to Epic Cajun
I honestly think the only reason people are questioning the value aspect of the trade is because of the way that the trade was announced. If last Monday night it was announced that the trade for the Pels was:
Pels out:
Jrue
Miller
Kenrich
Gray
Cheatham
2 second round picks
Pels in:
Adams
Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected MIL firsts
24/26 MIL swaps
I think that trade gets universal approval on the board, but because we know that we could've had Hill and another first round pick people are going to go on and on about the possibilities
Pels out:
Jrue
Miller
Kenrich
Gray
Cheatham
2 second round picks
Pels in:
Adams
Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected MIL firsts
24/26 MIL swaps
I think that trade gets universal approval on the board, but because we know that we could've had Hill and another first round pick people are going to go on and on about the possibilities
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:25 am to Epic Cajun
Yeah I agree and I've said that over the past few days.
I think another thing people are upset about is how close it gets us to the tax line and we have to fill a lot of spots with vet and rookie minimums which isn't super ideal.
But...its not like we had a lot to work with anyway.
And people are anxious to fill out the roster and seeing players dwindle away gets people nervous.
I think another thing people are upset about is how close it gets us to the tax line and we have to fill a lot of spots with vet and rookie minimums which isn't super ideal.
But...its not like we had a lot to work with anyway.
And people are anxious to fill out the roster and seeing players dwindle away gets people nervous.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:31 am to Fun Bunch
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we have to fill a lot of spots with vet and rookie minimums which isn't super ideal.
The flip side of that is it forces you to play the young guys. You don't have a George Hill for Stan to choose over NAW and Kira for example.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:33 am to TigerinATL
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The flip side of that is it forces you to play the young guys. You don't have a George Hill for Stan to choose over NAW and Kira for example.
That is a good thing in some aspects for the future of the team.
Might not be a great thing to watch in the short term. Hopefully people will go in with reasonable expectations and realize this is going to be a process.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:36 am to Fun Bunch
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Hopefully people will go in with reasonable expectations and realize this is going to be a process.
The goal for this season should be 10th seed and peaking at the end so you squeak into the playoffs.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:48 am to TigerinATL
quote:Agreed, the play in for the 10th seed gives us a reason for hope. Battling for that spot should be the goal of the team this season.
The goal for this season should be 10th seed and peaking at the end so you squeak into the playoffs.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:48 am to TigerinATL
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The Pelicans have 12 roster spots and only $3.7M of room left under the tax. The Pelicans can fill these with two minimum contracts, hit 14 and enter the season with an open roster spot without tax concerns. They can also dip into the tax and come out of it at the deadline.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:51 am to Fun Bunch
Is there a thread with what the roster looks like at the moment?
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