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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:44 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:44 pm to TigerinATL
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don’t think asset accumulation is a sound strategy
I think it's the worst strategy. If we trade ingram for 4 quarters I'm gonna melt. I don't want a fricking rook in this draft to be the centerpiece of any trade we do, and I damn sure expect that we replace ingram with a star guard.
Kyrie didn't seem like a good fit with Luka and here we are
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:52 pm to New City Champ
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So you've got two paths you can go down with a BI trade
For sure, probably a couple more options if you want to expand a trade.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:03 pm to Dantheman504
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Murray + Allen = BI + (1) 1st + (Dyson or 2nd 1st)
I would do this if possible. I would keep Dyson and give away another 1st.
I would then look to potentially trade CJ for picks and talent.
I would try to keep Naji and JV.
Murray/Herb/Trey/Zion/Allen looks good.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:31 pm to Soggymoss
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Latest Sam Amico article has 6ers, Hawks, Cavs and Magic as Ingram suitors so far.
The sixers are the only team there that doesn’t make sense
ETA: the only picks that the Sixers can trade are their 2029 and 2031 and they have zero good players to trade, they should be a non-factor.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:57 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Sounds similar to a MM proposal. Willing to risk paying Lavine and his bum knees 3 years/$138 million if it does not work out? That would pretty much ruin the team until Zion's contract is up and he walks. No thanks.
Would this trade move anyone?
Bulls: Ingram, Nance
Pels: Lavine, Caruso, 2025 Spurs 1st (top 8 protected), 2028 Bulls 1st
Lavine can be a legit #2 next to Zion if he stays healthy, or we could do our best to keep him healthy to rehab his value and flip him at the deadline for another star. More picks needed from Bulls maybe?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 10:58 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Agree completely. Griff has already shown us what he does with accumulated assets. He wastes them. We should be targeting players like Mitchell (if by some miracle we can convince him to extend in NOLA), maybe Young (if willing to take the risk) or a combo of Garland/Allen, not future scratch-offs.
I don’t think asset accumulation is a sound strategy. The Pels collection of picks wasn’t enough to get Fox or Sabonis. Hoping more picks gets you an All Star or better player later is just that, hope, not a plan.
There are 3 All Star caliber guards “available” this summer. Maybe none are perfect fits but I think they get you closer to your ultimate goal than a package of picks.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:20 pm to Epic Cajun
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ETA: the only picks that the Sixers can trade are their 2029 and 2031 and they have zero good players to trade, they should be a non-factor.
Umm, Philly will have up to 4 tradeable 1sts at the draft.
#16 this year
Either their pick or the lesser of OKC,Hou,Clips pick in 26
Their pick or Clips pick in 28
Their pick in 30
They can also trade swaps in 28,29 and 31
So lets say we have a deal in place with Philly but they have to use their picks to get us useful players we would want. They could use their picks to go get guys like Caruso, Murray, Simons, Garland, Herro etc, and we could send BI for that guy(s), Paul Reed, and a couple swaps
I don’t understand why people are downvoting this, I’m literally laying out how a 6ers trade would work and still be the same trade or a little better than we can get by dealing BI directly to other teams
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 6:54 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:44 am to Soggymoss
Look at this bullshite Google suggested for me
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Toronto Raptors
RECEIVE
Brandon Ingram
New Orleans Pelicans
RECEIVE
Jakob Poeltl
Ochai Agbaji
Chris Boucher
'25 First (TOR), '26 First (IND)
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The Pelicans get their man in the middle with Jakob Poeltl, and he can start alongside Zion Williamson, Trey Murphy III and Herb Jones in a super-sized starting lineup. Chris Boucher also gives them another look at center, a player who can ostensibly shoot and will offer real shot-blocking ability. Ochai Agbaji will be on his fourth team in three years but could still develop into a long-term rotational wing.
The Toronto first-round pick for next season is a bet that things don't come together for a Raptors team that struggled mightily this year, and the 2026 pick is the one owed to Toronto from Indiana via the Pascal Siakam trade. New Orleans gets a strong starting center, a pair of bench players, and two good first-round picks. It's not a trade return that will bowl them over, but it is very possibly good enough to get the job done.
If New Orleans is on board, do the Raptors make the trade?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
I saw that yesterday. Raptors blogger is delusional.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:13 am to Soggymoss
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Either their pick or the lesser of OKC,Hou,Clips pick in 26
I wasn't sure if they could trade the 26 because there are protections on there that could make a pick in that trade turn into 2nd rounders. Wasn't sure if the Sixers would get the 2nd rounders because I think they get the least favorable pick in that trade, which would then make them unable to trade the 26 pick because they have to have a pick in the 26 draft.
And yeah, I didn't count the 24 drafted player as a pick.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 8:13 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:34 am to NOSHAU
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Agree completely. Griff has already shown us what he does with accumulated assets. He wastes them. We should be targeting players like Mitchell (if by some miracle we can convince him to extend in NOLA), maybe Young (if willing to take the risk) or a combo of Garland/Allen, not future scratch-offs.
Yea I don’t get it. Everyone was cool with getting win now players like Adams and signing over the hill vets like Lowry, when we should have been taking on bad contracts and accumulating assets early in Zions career.
Now is not the time to be adding future assets. Griff has to get a legitimate #2 guy for BI. And it’s to late to get Mitchell, the time to trade for him was when he was on the Jazz like I suggested years ago.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:38 am to NOSHAU
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Would this trade move anyone?
Bulls: Ingram, Nance
Pels: Lavine, Caruso, 2025 Spurs 1st (top 8 protected), 2028 Bulls 1st
I'd take this trade way before i'd take a trade where the centerpiece is more picks and insignificant role players.
I'd send CJ to the Magic for Cole Anthony, Isaac and a '27 first.
If Lavine doesn't work out, at least you still have plenty of assets to replace him.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:59 am to TeddyPadillac
Man Lavine stays frickin hurt, I want no part of him to be honest.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:05 am to smoke225
Yeah frick Zach lavine
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:22 am to smoke225
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Man Lavine stays frickin hurt, I want no part of him to be honest.
Yeah he was hurt this year, and i'm sure a lot of it had to do with him not wanting to play there anymore, which is also not a good look.
He missed 5 games in 2023
He missed 15 games in 2022
He missed 14 games in 2021 (and all were at the end of the season when they were eliminated from the playoffs)
He missed 5 games in 2020 (the last 5 after being eliminated from playoffs)
Do you need me to show you how many games BI has missed the last 4 years?
I'll look at the postiives and say we would be getting a well rested athletic freak and elite 3 point shooter who has hopefully matured a bit and is ready to play for a contender and do what is necessary on both sides of the ball to influence winning basketball. As long as Zion takes the next step towards MVP type player, then there's no debate on who the #1 on this team is, and it makes it a lot easier for a guy like Lavine to fall in line.
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Evan Sidery of Forbes reports the Chicago Bulls "will attempt" to trade guard Zach LaVine this offseason. Sidery notes LaVine's market is "severely limited", though, and Chicago "might have to attach an asset to get off LaVine at this rate."
If you can't get that one guy better than Lavine, then settling for Lavine and not having to give up much at all is a no brainer if you ask me.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:27 am to smoke225
I mean, he played 77 games last season, 67 the season before.
In fact he’s played the same exact amount of games the past 5 seasons as Ingram, and thats including this season where Lavine only played 25 games, so he really averages more games played a year than Ingram.
The issue will be if you can keep his knee healthy, you have to trust your new trainer. If it works out then we look like geniuses and we have a legit #2 with Zion, if it doesn’t then we have plenty of assets to flip him for another piece.
If other targets aren’t available like Mitchell, Trae etc, then Lavine very well maybe the next best trade, especially with Chicago having to give up picks and Caruso like in the trade I outlined.
In fact he’s played the same exact amount of games the past 5 seasons as Ingram, and thats including this season where Lavine only played 25 games, so he really averages more games played a year than Ingram.
The issue will be if you can keep his knee healthy, you have to trust your new trainer. If it works out then we look like geniuses and we have a legit #2 with Zion, if it doesn’t then we have plenty of assets to flip him for another piece.
If other targets aren’t available like Mitchell, Trae etc, then Lavine very well maybe the next best trade, especially with Chicago having to give up picks and Caruso like in the trade I outlined.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:04 am to Soggymoss
quote:It is a swing for the fences type of move. Very risky and you are right, it could pay off. Not sure I want to take that risk though given his huge contract. If it does not work out,. we would be attaching a lot of assets just to get rid of him and not getting a #2 type player in return. Seeing as he is 29, not sure that knee is going to get better.
The issue will be if you can keep his knee healthy, you have to trust your new trainer. If it works out then we look like geniuses and we have a legit #2 with Zion, if it doesn’t then we have plenty of assets to flip him for another piece.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:37 am to NOSHAU
I’m going to chalk this up to just off-season delirium setting in, but people wanting Lavine aren’t thinking clearly. He’s in discussions as one of the worst contracts in the league.
Lavine is a 29 year old with career leg injuries to his knees, ankles, and is coming off season ending foot surgery. He is going to be owed $43m, 45m, and a PO for $48m the next 3 years.
For his career, he’s never posted a positive DBPM and his team has been 3.4 points per 100p better when he is OFF the court. In fact, he has only posted a positive NetRtg when he’s on the court once in his 10 years in the league.
Now, his shot distribution is much better than BI as Lavine takes more shots at the rim and more 3s. But even though he attacks the rim more, he doesn’t get to the line, and has posted a worst FTr than Ingram every year BI has been in the league.
If we strike out on others and Lavine is our best option left, I’d rather just extend BI and try again in the future.
Oh, and he’s also a Klutch guy
Lavine is a 29 year old with career leg injuries to his knees, ankles, and is coming off season ending foot surgery. He is going to be owed $43m, 45m, and a PO for $48m the next 3 years.
For his career, he’s never posted a positive DBPM and his team has been 3.4 points per 100p better when he is OFF the court. In fact, he has only posted a positive NetRtg when he’s on the court once in his 10 years in the league.
Now, his shot distribution is much better than BI as Lavine takes more shots at the rim and more 3s. But even though he attacks the rim more, he doesn’t get to the line, and has posted a worst FTr than Ingram every year BI has been in the league.
If we strike out on others and Lavine is our best option left, I’d rather just extend BI and try again in the future.
Oh, and he’s also a Klutch guy
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:59 am to Baron
Lavine has played 10 NBA seasons. 8 of the 10 the team has been better when he's off the court.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:18 am to shel311
He’s also been cast as a #1 his entire career when he’s probably more suited as a high end 3-2.
With a reduced role and being able to play more off ball it could likely help keep him healthy, at least long enough for another star to ask out then you send Lavine with the bulls picks and ours and get that star
With a reduced role and being able to play more off ball it could likely help keep him healthy, at least long enough for another star to ask out then you send Lavine with the bulls picks and ours and get that star
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