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Rich Paul Rule

Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:55 pm
Posted by RUFshreve
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:55 pm
Not Pelicans related, but I wanted to hear what y'all thought about everyones favorite agent Rich Paul and the new rules the NCAA passed, basically preventing underclassmen that are considering declaring for the draft, to work with him or seek out his counsel without losing their eligibility.

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One year ago, the NCAA announced college basketball players testing the NBA draft waters would be able to seek the guidance of an agent without losing their eligibility. On Tuesday, the NCAA issued a memo fine-tuning the restrictions around which agents athletes are allowed to hire. A underclassman can work with an agent and retain his eligibility should he decide to return to school provided that the agent:

Has a bachelor’s degree
Has been certified by the NBAPA for the last three years
Passes an in-person exam administered at the NCAA national office in Indianapolis


LINK

I know its ticked off Lebron and Klutch, so I had a good laugh about it. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:32 pm to
It's stupid.

All it did was make Paul look better, which was a near impossible bar to clear. Never change, NCAA
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
5871 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:39 pm to
It doesn’t seem the college athletes RP goes after are bubble guys that could potentially return for a second year, so it really won’t affect him much at all.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32368 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

It doesn’t seem the college athletes RP goes after are bubble guys that could potentially return for a second year, so it really won’t affect him much at all.
Don't let that get in the way of a narrative
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:48 pm to
Makes sense.

Dont have dropouts advising kids to drop out.
Posted by Olric
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
1884 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 1:49 pm to
I actually think the rule was to keep a new Rich Paul from coming into power, or really someones "friend"/uncle/stepdad from signing up to represent an athlete only to take advantage of them. I honestly think the NCAA did this to try and ensure the athlete's best interests were being fulfilled but Lebron and his camp is probably better at playing victim than he even is at basketball
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11285 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

I actually think the rule was to keep a new Rich Paul from coming into power, or really someones "friend"/uncle/stepdad from signing up to represent an athlete only to take advantage of them. I honestly think the NCAA did this to try and ensure the athlete's best interests were being fulfilled but Lebron and his camp is probably better at playing victim than he even is at basketball



Yep.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

honestly think the NCAA did this to try and ensure the athlete's best interests were being fulfilled


That would be a first for the NCAA.
Posted by Olric
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
1884 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:55 pm to
Well it also serves the purpose of keeping marginal professional players eligible on an amateur level which would improve their product
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:19 pm to
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bluebarracuda


one devine feline you have
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1942 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:40 pm to
Really don’t care. However, how’s about he lets his clients keep their word and honor their contracts before complaining about the rule.

Side note it’s also ironic because Lebron and Rich Paul have a built in tempering leverage with NBA players because his boss is LeBron.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:42 pm to
Perhaps.

I'd love to see the data that supports the claim that there are too many marginal amateur players going pro early AND that agents w/o college degrees or an NCAA stamp of approval are giving bad advice to those amateur players
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

I'd love to see the data that supports the claim that there are too many marginal amateur players going pro early AND that agents w/o college degrees or an NCAA stamp of approval are giving bad advice to those amateur players



Doesn't matter. Taking steps to stop it preemptively is a positive step.

>Has a bachelor’s degree - has enough competency to get a college degree
>Has been certified by the NBAPA for the last three years - has been certified by the PLAYERS ASSOCIATION so some trust in being competent/trustworthy
>Passes an in-person exam administered at the NCAA national office in Indianapolis - won't have an excuse for violations of NCAA rules

As I wrote in the MSB thread on this subject, these are such common-sense steps that it's almost impossible to think these were meant to stop just Rich Paul. In fact, it's kinda surprising some of these rules weren't already in place.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32368 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:21 am to
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Has been certified by the NBAPA for the last three years - has been certified by the PLAYERS ASSOCIATION so some trust in being competent/trustworthy
The absurd thing about this whole fiasco is that the NBAPA also has a rule for certification that requires a bachelors degree, but they have the ability to waive that requirement on a case by case basis.

Not to mention the NFL and MLB also require it.

But let's get outraged and act like this is something new and discriminatory. The outrage culture today is...something.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
7895 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:28 am to
It’s not even a rich Paul rule. The rule most likely was put in place to ensure players only get reputable agents. It’s not the NCAA’s fault rich Paul doesn’t have a degree. Lebron thinks everything is about him. Nobody thought through why the NCAA would actually make this rule.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:34 am to
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they have the ability to waive that requirement on a case by case basis.


That + NCAA "approved" are big differences. The NCAA is effectively dictating to players who they can and cannot speak to for what may be the most important decision of their lives.

It's a rule made w/o any evidence to support it, which is always dumb.

See my post above- is there any data that amateurs are getting bad advice from agents w/o college degrees and/or any data that agents w/ college degrees give better advice?
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11285 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Side note it’s also ironic because Lebron and Rich Paul have a built in tempering leverage with NBA players because his boss is LeBron.


I really don't think David Stern would have let it get to this point without handling it.
Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:59 am to
The fact that millionaires trust their financial future to a dude who got to where he is by selling jerseys out of a trunk always amazes me.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32368 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:16 am to
quote:

The NCAA is effectively dictating to players who they can and cannot speak to
I feel like this is a stretch. Speak to is different from being represented by, right?

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It's a rule made w/o any evidence to support it, which is always dumb.
Just because you weren't shown the evidence, doesn't mean that there isn't some evidence.

I don't see how an education requirement is a bad thing. There are tons of professional jobs in the world that require an education. I would take it a step further and say that I wouldn't want someone representing me without a law degree. I assume that it makes the entire process much easier when your representation understands legal contracts, the rules of the NCAA, and the NBA CBA. Does a college degree guarantee that? Not necessarily, but it does show some level of intellectual/education disposition.

ETA: also, where do you see NCAA "approved"?
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 9:19 am
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