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re: Realistic Expectations
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:33 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:33 pm to Colonel Flagg
I actually think clearly our biggest flaw is 3 point shooting, being that we were 28th in the NBA last season beyond the arc and we have the same lineup returning. 3 point shooting should open up with Zion's addition, but if we can't take advantage of defenses collapsing Zion by hitting our 3's, then there could be problems.
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Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:02 pm to tehchampion140
quote:Too many good teams at the top of the West to say we "should" make the 2nd round imo.
Realistically, barring any catastrophic injury luck, we should at the very minimum make the 2nd round of the playoffs
Warriors
Clippers
Nuggets
Mavs
Grizzlies
Suns
We can win nearly 50 games and still get a 4 or 5 seed and a healthy Nuggets in the 1st round, for example.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:11 pm to sleepingbunch
quote:
I actually think clearly our biggest flaw is 3 point shooting, being that we were 28th in the NBA last season beyond the arc and we have the same lineup returning.
I agree with this. We need a lot of internal improvement in this area this season. I think we do improve a lot, but ultimately when we get knocked out of the playoffs I think we’ll point to a 3 pt disparity as a main culprit.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:26 pm to ned nederlander
Our top five in 3-pt attempts last season:
Graham - 563
NAW - 305
BI - 226
Murphy - 186
Temple - 185
Guess which two on that list shot under 32%.
Graham - 563
NAW - 305
BI - 226
Murphy - 186
Temple - 185
Guess which two on that list shot under 32%.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:26 pm to sleepingbunch
quote:
I actually think clearly our biggest flaw is 3 point shooting, being that we were 28th in the NBA last season beyond the arc and we have the same lineup returning. 3 point shooting should open up with Zion's addition, but if we can't take advantage of defenses collapsing Zion by hitting our 3's, then there could be problems.
3-pt shooting will be just fine. We'll have the right people taking a huge majority of them as opposed to last year when we basically had the WRONG people taking a HUGE number of 3s. We should end up around 12th or so in the league...in 3-pt %. Just need to make sure & incorporate a bit more 3-pt shooting into our overall offense. Plenty of open looks will be there...assuming we'll make the extra pass.
Problems are obviously "rim protection" and of course...overall defense from the "5". Gonna take a while to figure out how to remedy those 2 problems.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:29 pm to sleepingbunch
who has a guy to cover zion straight up.
lakers
minnesota
gsw
clippers
memphis
so it's not a slam dunk pels win a series at all. finals talk is premature. too many questions. lets see 10 games.
ideally get a first round home series and play Dallas.
maybe the round 2 star sprains a toe. it happens.
gsw played 6 in round 2 with memphis. ja sat for 4 5 and 6. bizarrely memphis slaughtered gsw without ja game 4.
they missed him in 5 and 6. bane had a disk out and Adams missed 2 including a loss, with covid. so 2 starters out and another not 100%.
that's the ticket.
Kyrie dominated curry.
then Kyrie is out.
love is out.
ta da. gsw wins.
next time green is tossed. gsw loses.
bogut out. gsw loses.
Klay out. kd out. gsw loses.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:35 pm to shel311
quote:
We can win nearly 50 games and still get a 4 or 5 seed and a healthy Nuggets in the 1st round, for example.
I think we can beat the Nuggets, we match up pretty well with them, IMO. One of the teams that probably wouldn’t play Jonas off the floor.
I think a healthy Pels team is in the same tier as the Nuggets, Mavs, Grizz, Wolves, and Suns. Maybe a step below the top 2 of the Warriors and Clippers.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:33 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
We can win nearly 50 games and still get a 4 or 5 seed and a healthy Nuggets in the 1st round, for example.
I think we can beat the Nuggets, we match up pretty well with them,
the west is so good.
I'm still chuckling at Minnesota at 8th in fanduel. dudes celebrated like brits on VE day winning the play in game and may be back to meet zion in the play in.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:40 am to Hazelnut
quote:
I realize how hard it is for us to not have an injury frick us.
it's a constant.
not just pels.
most finals were decided by an injury.
Kyrie stuffed curry.
looked like Kyrie and lebron. then Kyrie down. love down. gsw wins.
happens a lot.
kd and Klay.
heat were banged up v celtics last year.
I remember cp3 hammy ending his run two different years .
I think its more often than not.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:24 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
Just need to make sure & incorporate a bit more 3-pt shooting into our overall offense.
I very much disagree. Falling in love with the 3 is one of the worst traps to fall into. We need to grind out possessions, get to the rim and be efficient in the midrange.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:37 pm to Colonel Flagg
I expect the Pels to be the 7th or 8th seed in the West
The WC has lots of good ascending teams except for the tanking Jazz.
I believe the interior defense with JV and Z will be the major issue.
I would love to see a lineup with Zion, BXI, Jax, Jones and Kira. This lineup lacks outside shooting but would be fast and defensive with loads of athleticism.
The WC has lots of good ascending teams except for the tanking Jazz.
I believe the interior defense with JV and Z will be the major issue.
I would love to see a lineup with Zion, BXI, Jax, Jones and Kira. This lineup lacks outside shooting but would be fast and defensive with loads of athleticism.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:15 pm to ErikGordan
Is a front court of Jax/Zion better defensively than a front court of Jonas/Zion?
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:27 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Is a front court of Jax/Zion better defensively than a front court of Jonas/Zion?
I don't think it is. Jaxson has shown he can be a serviceable perimeter defender and weakside help defender, but not a rim protector. An in shape Zion can provide the same perimeter/help defense as Jaxson, what neither gives that Jonas can provide is clogging up the paint to redirect attackers to the help defense as well as get rebounds to end possessions.
I don't know why but many on this board don't value defensive rebounding as an actual component of defense when it's pretty important.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:43 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah. I asked the question because I don’t think it’s true. I wish it was, but I don’t see it.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 2:50 pm to keltonAve
IMO we print the shirts
(Assuming health)
I LOVE CJ and hope he retires here but realistically if we could get a true distributor at PG this team would be borderline top 6 in the NBA
(Assuming health)
I LOVE CJ and hope he retires here but realistically if we could get a true distributor at PG this team would be borderline top 6 in the NBA
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:01 pm to Rand AlThor
But CJ is too small as SG
Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:06 pm to keltonAve
7th, 8th or 9th for me.
Maybe 6th or higher if Zion carries the team but i wait to see.
Zion must be MVP or All nba team if he wants supermax contract...Well, it must motivate him to have top player lvl this season.
Maybe 6th or higher if Zion carries the team but i wait to see.
Zion must be MVP or All nba team if he wants supermax contract...Well, it must motivate him to have top player lvl this season.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:10 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:
I very much disagree. Falling in love with the 3 is one of the worst traps to fall into. We need to grind out possessions, get to the rim and be efficient in the midrange.
3 of the 5 best post season 3pt teams made the conference finals and both Boston and GS were top 5 in 3pm and 3p%.
It’s not the be all end all as Pho/Mil showed the year before, but the most dominant teams tend to be the ones that can play big and small, shoot at all three levels, and if you can also be strong from three, you are basically writing a ticket to a strong playoff run every year.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:16 pm to Bronc
As for my expectations, it comes down to health.
Great health(none of BI, CJ, Zion, Jonas miss more than a dozen games): 1-5 seed I genuinely see as possible. We have the talent and depth to make a very strong regular season run. And since season favorites like the Warriors/Clippers are going to aim for health, I can easily see a scenario where a team that might not be favorites to win it all has a stellar regular season.
Moderate health: 4-7 seed. Our depth should allow us to remain competitive even if we lose Zion or BI for 20+ games and CJ/Jonas missed some time as well.
Poor health(we lose BI, Zion, CJ, or even Jonas most of all of the season and at least one other key player between Zion/BI misses significant time, 20+ Games missed): 7- miss the play in.
Playoffs: a lot will come down to health, but I think the best version of this team(Zion looks as dominant as before the injury and Bi continues to level up, young guys take steps forward, largely healthy going into the playoffs) could realistically make a conference finals. But the more realistic scenario is making the second round and playing a hard out.
Great health(none of BI, CJ, Zion, Jonas miss more than a dozen games): 1-5 seed I genuinely see as possible. We have the talent and depth to make a very strong regular season run. And since season favorites like the Warriors/Clippers are going to aim for health, I can easily see a scenario where a team that might not be favorites to win it all has a stellar regular season.
Moderate health: 4-7 seed. Our depth should allow us to remain competitive even if we lose Zion or BI for 20+ games and CJ/Jonas missed some time as well.
Poor health(we lose BI, Zion, CJ, or even Jonas most of all of the season and at least one other key player between Zion/BI misses significant time, 20+ Games missed): 7- miss the play in.
Playoffs: a lot will come down to health, but I think the best version of this team(Zion looks as dominant as before the injury and Bi continues to level up, young guys take steps forward, largely healthy going into the playoffs) could realistically make a conference finals. But the more realistic scenario is making the second round and playing a hard out.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:40 pm to keltonAve
Conference finals/Finals
We've seen a lot of teams recently that weren't as good as this team get just as far.
We've seen a lot of teams recently that weren't as good as this team get just as far.
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