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Proud Pelicans Fan... Trade Ideas

Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:23 pm
Posted by PelicansBay
Huber Heights, Ohio
Member since Jun 2017
679 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:23 pm
The Pelicans are living up to the hype. AD and Boogie are a great fit, role players are doing their jobs. Things will further improve as the roster gets healthy. Dell and Gentry are doing their jobs well this season. Even the Zatarain's patch looks cool. Is there a such thing as a happy Pelicans fan? This will take some time to get used to.

With nothing to complain about, how about some trade deadline ideas? In another post I suggested players like Reggie Jackson, George Hill, Bazemore, Kidd-Gilchrist, Mirotic, and Okafor. I think the Pels could acquire a decent player for the package of: 2018 1st round pick (lottery protected), Clark, Ajinca, and Asik. Some players that come to mind are: Dragic, Thaddeus, Monroe, and Robin Lopez. If the Pels include Moore (keep Clark) with the pick and players mentioned, the team may be able to get a player like Harrison Barnes or Batum.
Posted by CoeJ
Member since Oct 2010
1827 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:33 pm to
Harrison Barnes is the worst contract in the NBA.
Posted by Lambchops11
Member since Jul 2013
595 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:44 pm to
I wouldn't mind seeing a trade happen if we are top4 seed. If not, why waste the pick pre-trade deadline?

Do we really believe we have a good enough team to come out of the west? As of now we have a good base, but need to add another star in order to compete for a title.

With the future in mind, I'd like to keep that pick until we get a better idea if we will re-sign boogie, let the dust settle and go from there.

If boogie bounces,
You still get to grab a guy in the draft and sign free agents with remaining cap. If he stays you try to take that pic (and possibly next years?) and try to get nasty.
Posted by PelicansBay
Huber Heights, Ohio
Member since Jun 2017
679 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Harrison Barnes is the worst contract in the NBA.



I would take Harrison Barnes over the combo of Moore, Ajinca, and Asik. They have the same salary cap hit.
Posted by MrPel
Member since Dec 2014
2342 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
Don’t think we make a trade until February. A FA signing is much more realistic, let’s hope it’s Greg Monroe if he gets bought out.
Posted by PelicansBay
Huber Heights, Ohio
Member since Jun 2017
679 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 3:02 pm to
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Don’t think we make a trade until February. A FA signing is much more realistic, let’s hope it’s Greg Monroe if he gets bought out.



If Greg Monroe is bought out, Cleveland or OKC would seem to be his best options. I don't think Monroe would choose to sign here if given a choice (this season). He's a free-agent at the end of the year; he's playing for another large contract. Signing here (this season) would say he views himself as a bench player.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 3:24 pm to
I came up with a framework I like in another thread just trying to dump salary to make room for picking up Greg Monroe if he gets bought out.

3 team trade with Philly and Chicago.

Bulls - Okafor/Ajinca
Sixers - Clark or Moore and Mirotic
Pels - One of Luwawu or Korkmaz

Why Chicago does it? They've wanted Okafor for a while and have to trade either Mirotic or Portis. They get a young player they've wanted by trading a guy they need to move rather than any picks.

Why Philly does it? The Okafor situation is toxic and they've been trying to move him for a year. They want to win and adding 2 rotation worthy vets that can space the floor will help.

Why the Pels do it? They shed salary to add a bought out Greg Monroe and turn Ajinca into a cheap wing prospect. A lot of people want to keep Moore. I think he and Clark are comparable enough in a bench role that I'd give Philly whichever of the 2 they wanted, the cheap expiring guy or the guy locked in at an ok price.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 3:58 pm to
if the Pels could pull that off, i'd be happy. definitely a drop in the immediate fortunes of the team, but a shot at a TLC or Kormaz is worth it for a team with no real wing prospect

dont buy the Sixers dumping either guy tbh. they have no incentive to trade a 22 or 20 year old wing with skills to support their stars on late 1st rookie deals for Moore or Clark. frankly, it's a move so short-sighted that Demps would make it.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted by PelicansBay
Huber Heights, Ohio
Member since Jun 2017
679 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

I came up with a framework I like in another thread just trying to dump salary to make room for picking up Greg Monroe if he gets bought out.

3 team trade with Philly and Chicago.

Bulls - Okafor/Ajinca
Sixers - Clark or Moore and Mirotic
Pels - One of Luwawu or Korkmaz



In this scenario, wouldn't it make more sense for the Bulls to trade Mirotic for Luwawu and Okafor? Neither the Bulls or Sixers gain anything of worth from the Pels in a trade like this.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 4:17 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:22 pm to
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frankly, it's a move so short-sighted that Demps would make it.


Marco Belinelli for Juju

Jarret Jack for Jerryd Bayless and turning Peja into expirings

Ish for 2 2nds

These are the deals Demps has made with Colangelo. Also remember that the Colangelos were installed basically in a League coup with what seems to be a stop tanking and win now mandate. I would think Brett Brown would rather have Moore or Clark than Luwawu or Korkmaz. They're going to extend Robert Covington so you already have a lot of young talent slotted into place. Philly is .500 and the 7th seed in an Eastern playoff race that seems as tight/deep as the West with Cleveland, Miami, and Charlotte all on the outside looking in.

Could Chicago and Philly do this on their own with Chicago maybe sending 2nds Philly's way? Sure. But I'd argue that doesn't get either of them what they want. Using a team like the Pels to trade a vet for cap rental lets Chicago get Okafor without giving up picks and Philly gets some vets which are more useful than more 2nds.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:28 pm to
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In this scenario, wouldn't it make more sense for the Bulls to trade Mirotic for Luwawu and Okafor?


I have them sending out Luwawu or Korkmaz in exchange for the veteran guard we'd be sending. They aren't a throw in for Mirotic, I don't think Mirotic has that kind of value. The basic motivation is what I posted above. Philly gets another vet out of the deal to help them make the playoffs and the Bulls get a player they want without giving up picks.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22776 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:34 pm to
I wish we could have dumped Ajinca, Asik, and our 1st round pick for Jackson. I don’t think it would have gotten any better than that. Yeah he might have a meh personality, but he could have contributed and the team would have been free of the dead money. They then could look to maybe make another trade for a big or SF help.

I don’t see how either Ajinca or Asik ever really contribute again to the team.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted by PelicansBay
Huber Heights, Ohio
Member since Jun 2017
679 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:43 pm to
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I have them sending out Luwawu or Korkmaz in exchange for the veteran guard we'd be sending. They aren't a throw in for Mirotic, I don't think Mirotic has that kind of value. The basic motivation is what I posted above. Philly gets another vet out of the deal to help them make the playoffs and the Bulls get a player they want without giving up picks.


I see your logic, but would the Sixers view Moore's contract (3 year 25 mill) as a positive? Seeing they seem interested in extending Covington and are paying Reddick 23 mill, why would they want to pay Moore also? They also pay Bayless 9 mill this and next season.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

Ish for 2 2nds


Hinkie make up deal


quote:

Philly is .500 and the 7th seed in an Eastern playoff race that seems as tight/deep as the West with Cleveland, Miami, and Charlotte all on the outside looking in.


sure. three things-

i would reject the idea that they need to make moves to make the playoffs.

Moore/Clark instead of TLC or Kormaz doesn't change their fortunes much. Pels players arent better than Reddick/Bayless and McConnell is the backup pg. Fultz, also, will come back at some point. he will need 20+ mpg.

adding small rotation level guards goes against what they are building. they have a bunch of versatile, skilled, long players. why deal a young, cost controlled player in that mold for Moore/Clark?

now the Pels might be able to swap a guy out for Sauce Castillo. would be worth a flyer except that i dont think Cousins likes him
Posted by C3W
East Narnia
Member since May 2009
1513 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:38 pm to
Still not a fan of Gentry. I will hold complaints and asess feelings at the all-star break.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:49 pm to
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Pels players arent better than Reddick/Bayless


I didn't realize Bayless had become a good 3 point shooter. He does limit the usefulness of Moore and Clark.

quote:

now the Pels might be able to swap a guy out for Sauce Castillo


If you do Clark and Ajinca for Stauskas you'd save just enough to add another minimum. I really would rather get the cheaper guy with more potential, but a move like that might be your only option for dumping Ajinca without burning a pick. It also might make Asik easier to dump because you don't have to package Ajinca with him.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3656 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:08 pm to
Stauskas??? Peeeeee---yyeeeeewwwww
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:15 pm to
It’s not about Stauskas, it’s about dumpng Ajinca to make room for a bought out Greg Monroe.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7096 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:17 am to
...and THAT is why you don't trade E'twaun.
His scoring average is going to keep climbing thos season. Especially when he is relegated to the second unit and is counted on for more scoring...though I wouldn't mind starting him with Rondo and letting Jrue run the backups.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:50 am to
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His scoring average is going to keep climbing thos season


I really don't think it will. He's a steady guy, not a volume guy. His attempts and points per 36 minutes:

16-17 12.2 FGA 4.1 3PA 13.8 ppg
17-18 11.1 FGA 3.9 3PA 13.4 ppg

He's averaging 11.7 instead of 9.6 ppg vs last year simply because he's playing more minutes, not because he's "becoming a better offensive player". He's at 31.5 MPG so there really isn't much room for him to improve. While his FG% is up 5% because he's getting a lot more easy shots at the basket, I don't see an avenue for him to improve much more above where he is now.

I'm not hell bent on trading him or anything, but the Pels money situation makes Moore a luxury long term. Dumping Asik/Ajinca only offsets Boogie's raise next year which mean's even if you get rid of them we'll be in the same, tight bumping up against the tax situation next summer as we were this summer where we had to choose between discounted Rondo and Swaggy P.

If all goes well then in 2 years from now we'll follow up Cousins' $12 million raise with a similar raise for AD. Moore will eventually need to be replaced by cheaper guys like Jackson/Cooke or the next under priced vet min like Ian Clark.

I wouldn't just use him to dump Ajinca, in this case I was aiming to get a good young wing prospsect back in Luwawu. If Rondo's return and Miller's emergence lead to pushing Moore back to a 20 MPG player and there is a deal for him that lets you dump salary and get future assets, you have to make that trade while you have an Ian Clark on the roster to plug the hole. Clark is in a slump right now, but he does a lot of the same things Moore does on the court.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 8:52 am
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