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Prior to NOLA, Gentry had a .475 winning % as a head coach
Posted on 8/2/20 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 3:40 pm
Since arriving in NOLA, Gentry's winning % is .439
Are we still giving him the benefit of "coaching a young and injured team"?
In his entire head coaching career, he's made the playoffs 3 times and has been fired in the middle of the year 3 times. He's just as likely to be fired during the season as he is to make the playoffs. One of his playoff seasons came during a lockout when the NBA season was 50 games.
As a head coach, he's won 50+ games 1 time. He's lost 50+ games 2 times. (He was on pace to lose 50+ games in two of the seasons where he was fired during the season).
A combined career .462 winning % over parts of 17 seasons is enough evidence. If he's back next year, expect more of the same. We have enough data to predict what will happen.
Are we still giving him the benefit of "coaching a young and injured team"?
In his entire head coaching career, he's made the playoffs 3 times and has been fired in the middle of the year 3 times. He's just as likely to be fired during the season as he is to make the playoffs. One of his playoff seasons came during a lockout when the NBA season was 50 games.
As a head coach, he's won 50+ games 1 time. He's lost 50+ games 2 times. (He was on pace to lose 50+ games in two of the seasons where he was fired during the season).
A combined career .462 winning % over parts of 17 seasons is enough evidence. If he's back next year, expect more of the same. We have enough data to predict what will happen.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 3:58 pm to hendersonshands
Sterling Baylor Clippers roster for his 50 loss season
Demps constructed roster for 50 loss season #2
Roster for 50 win season WCF team
There are plenty of reasons to promote Gentry to FO, but records must be taken in with context.
Make your case with better data.
Demps constructed roster for 50 loss season #2
Roster for 50 win season WCF team
There are plenty of reasons to promote Gentry to FO, but records must be taken in with context.
Make your case with better data.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:00 pm to hendersonshands
To think that David Griffin wanted to commit to this guy when he became GM.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:05 pm to hendersonshands
I'm pretty sure that I could coach the Bucks to a winning season next year. I'm also sure that Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, John Wooden, and Pat Riley put together couldn't get Cleveland to a winning record.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I'm pretty sure that I could coach the Bucks to a winning season next year.
Historically there have been coaches like Dell Harris, Mike Brown, and David Blatt that have underachieved with talent.
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I'm also sure that Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, John Wooden, and Pat Riley put together couldn't get Cleveland to a winning record.
When coaches like Nick Nurse exist, this type of argument within this particular context can only hold up for so long.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:18 pm to c on z
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When coaches like Nick Nurse exist, this type of argument within this particular context can only hold up for so long.
Nurse is an excellent coach, but last years team had 4 players who have been All-Star/All NBA level players in their careers starting for him. That team was constructed very well.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 7:42 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Nurse is an excellent coach, but last years team had 4 players who have been All-Star/All NBA level players in their careers starting for him. That team was constructed very well.
Very good point.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 8:59 am to hendersonshands
Is this the last year of his contract?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 9:00 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Make your case with better data.
how about how he took over a Suns team that had previously won 62, 54, 61, 55 games. First year as a full time coach led them to 54 wins and the conference finals. I guess anyone, like Nick Nurse, could have done that with Nash/Stoudemire/Richardson/Hill/Dragic/Barbosa/Lopez/Dudley/Frye.
2nd year as head coach and they lost Stoudemire and he leads them to a 40-42 record. Barbosa was traded for Turkaglu, who was then traded mid season with Richardson for Vince Carter, Gortat, Pietrus. Steve Nash and Grant Hill missed hardly any games, so they were a healthy team.
I guess Amare Stoudemire is a sure fire hall of famer if he makes that big of a difference. I mean he took the Knicks to great places right? And i'm sure you'll say, he did, they won 54 games in 2013, and Stoudemire played in 29 of the 82, and the Knicks haven't had a winning record since then.
After leading a healthy perennial 50 win suns team to 40-42, he led them to 33-33 the next year, with again, a healthy Steven Nash and Grant Hill. Then he led the Nashless Suns to their worst start in 28 years and was fired.
I think is what he has proven is he can't coach, unless Steve Nash is in his prime and doing all the work.
He has proven time and time again that he is not a good NBA head coach.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 11:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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how about how he took over a Suns team that had previously won 62, 54, 61, 55 games.
Who essentially fired their coach because he couldn’t beat the Spurs, ridiculous suspensions or not. Then Gentry did.
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2nd year as head coach and they lost Stoudemire and he leads them to a 40-42 record. Barbosa was traded for Turkaglu, who was then traded mid season with Richardson for Vince Carter, Gortat, Pietrus. Steve Nash and Grant Hill missed hardly any games, so they were a healthy team. I guess Amare Stoudemire is a sure fire hall of famer if he makes that big of a difference. I mean he took the Knicks to great places right? And i'm sure you'll say, he did, they won 54 games in 2013, and Stoudemire played in 29 of the 82, and the Knicks haven't had a winning record since then. After leading a healthy perennial 50 win suns team to 40-42, he led them to 33-33 the next year, with again, a healthy Steven Nash and Grant Hill. Then he led the Nashless Suns to their worst start in 28 years and was fired.
So they lost a perennial All NBA guy, who was an MVP candidate his first season in New York- when he played in 78 games his first year (before his knees gave out because New York didn’t have Aaron Nelson) then had MAJOR overhaul of the roster with the majority them of well past 30 and you’re complaining about what exactly?
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Then he led the Nashless Suns to their worst start in 28 years and was fired
The Suns lost their franchise player with no suitable replacement (to this day, 8 years later even with the “great” Monty Williams as coach) and the Cliff this franchise fell off is Alvins fault, how?
Most of Alvins early coaching gigs was as an interim coach on bad franchises (like the Pre-Riley Heat) filling out after coaching flameouts (like Doug Collins in Detroit) or being one of the dozens of fall guys for the worst owner-GM combo in the history of the NBA (Sterling - Baylor).
When given a roster that is healthy and somewhat balanced, he’s passable.
To lay the blame at Alvin Gentrys feet for bad rosters-too young & dumb, too old, bad fit, etc. is illogical.
The Jimmys and Joes mostly determines winning percentage (Ty Lue .607)
Coaching CAN be a factor in winning.
They typically aren’t THE factor in getting a team to playoff level.
Both things are true.
If you want to talk Gentry, his substitution pattern, his teams coming out flat in the 3rd are probably his biggest flaw, as well as play calling at the end of games are what can be discussed as justifications for firing.
The recent Utah loss is an example, but even then a 1 possession game where our best player didn’t make the right pass to our best shooter and missed the go ahead bucket.
The Clippers game is inexcusable for effort.
Gentrys biggest strength is keeping a locker room together, as he’s proven over and over.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:21 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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So they lost a perennial All NBA guy, who was an MVP candidate his first season in New York- when he played in 78 games his first year
Many teams have lost great players and not finished the next season under .500 while being healthy.
Raptors seem to be doing just fine without Kawhi.
Westbrook led his terrible Durantless Thunder team to 47 wins.
The Spurs won 47 games in Kawhi's last season when he only played in 9 games, that's without DeRozan and Parker missing almost 30 games.
Perennial 50 win Clips with CP3 and Griffin finished with 42 wins their first season without CP3 and only 30 games of Griffin before trading him. They were 25-24 before trading Griffin, after losing a real MVP candidate in CP3. Even that team without CP3, and without Griffin for 16 of the 49 games they had played before he was traded went 8-8 without their two all-nba guys. They won 48 games the next year with Lou Williams as their best player.
See, it's not impossible to still play good just b/c you lost a really good player off your team.
All people ever do is make excuses for Gentry. Just stop it. You're either a good coach or you're not, and he's not. No one made excuses for those teams i mentioned above. There's no reason for a healthy Nash team to not be better just b/c they lost Amare Stoudemire.
I know Gentry wasn't given a lot to work with in LA, and the Suns pretty much gave up on their team as well, but a good coach would have done better. Doc Rivers absolutely could have fallen into the same thing with the Clippers when CP3 and Griffin were traded, but instead he made lemonade with the lemons he was handed. Gentry would have led that team to 30 something wins. Hell look what he did last year coming off a playoff season, leading his team to 20-26 before AD went retard. What was the excuse for starting so shitty last year, which was probably the most hyped up season the franchise ever had?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:55 pm to hendersonshands
He was a terrible hire from the beginning. At least with young Monty, there was hope of growth and development. Hiring a 60ish year old Gentry with a subpar career record was not a wise choice.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 10:30 pm to hendersonshands
He is what we thought
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