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re: Pels sign Ian Clark per Shams
Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:13 am to THRILLHO
Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:13 am to THRILLHO
Wonderful work by all in thread.
What it looks like to me is a swift departure from playoffs but absent injury to the 4 best guys, highly likely to see home games vs a real contender in first round. Despite all the prayers. Pels remain without SF worth talking about and the top 4 all have one and gsw has 3 or 4 mid sized guys better than anything on pels. The top 4 have all stars at sf. Davis and boogie are both capable of delivering a domination game, up in the 40 15 range.
Thats the hope. That the two bigs just roll and deliver an upset series you will remember the rest of our days.
Clark has not returned to form after injury sr year. Never got "it" back on offense. If "that guy Clark" shows up in playoffs with a solid jrue and "good rondo", hot damn.
Even with last year clark, 45 to 50 games, 7 to 5 seed.
They need 75 games of "good rondo", for sure. 6 seed is best outcome. Play 3, then 2.
Meet gsw in wcf.
Maybe win 2 if either of the bigs play their best.
What it looks like to me is a swift departure from playoffs but absent injury to the 4 best guys, highly likely to see home games vs a real contender in first round. Despite all the prayers. Pels remain without SF worth talking about and the top 4 all have one and gsw has 3 or 4 mid sized guys better than anything on pels. The top 4 have all stars at sf. Davis and boogie are both capable of delivering a domination game, up in the 40 15 range.
Thats the hope. That the two bigs just roll and deliver an upset series you will remember the rest of our days.
Clark has not returned to form after injury sr year. Never got "it" back on offense. If "that guy Clark" shows up in playoffs with a solid jrue and "good rondo", hot damn.
Even with last year clark, 45 to 50 games, 7 to 5 seed.
They need 75 games of "good rondo", for sure. 6 seed is best outcome. Play 3, then 2.
Meet gsw in wcf.
Maybe win 2 if either of the bigs play their best.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 7:25 am
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:05 am to CelticDog
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What it looks like to me is a swift departure from playoffs but absent injury to the 4 best guys, highly likely to see home games vs a real contender in first round.
right. that seems like the most likely outcome.
need Rondo to stay engaged and Cousins too. even if we dont put 100% faith in off-season quotes/instagram, Cousins seems motivated and determined- think 2014 FIBA world championship. if so, they are getting into the playoffs
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:31 am to corndeaux
Honestly just ready for the season to start. I'm tired of seeing us projected 10th-11th in the West. People are really sleeping on us.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:59 am to Mystictiger
Even when Pels dump Asik and sign Dante and a wing the perception on Pels wont change. We have to deal with it.
You cannot change it until the start of the season.
Dont expect change here.
Rondo is worse than Frazier.
Galloway is miles better than Clark.
Pels had bad draft. Did not sign ballhandler and shooters.
DMC and Rondo wont work there.
Finch? Who is Finch?
I loved the Boogie quote about "so called" experts.
Let the season begin. Quick!
You cannot change it until the start of the season.
Dont expect change here.
Rondo is worse than Frazier.
Galloway is miles better than Clark.
Pels had bad draft. Did not sign ballhandler and shooters.
DMC and Rondo wont work there.
Finch? Who is Finch?
I loved the Boogie quote about "so called" experts.
Let the season begin. Quick!
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:11 am to pawel
An article from Nylon Calculus pointing out how Clark should really help the 3 point shooting of the Pels.
LINK
If what Miller did in Germany translates to the NBA, he should be at the top of that list with Clark and Crawford.
quote:
The Pelicans ranked 13th in the league in catch-and-shoot 3-point attempts per game after Cousins was acquired, but they made just 35.1 percent of those attempts — 25th in the league and well below the league average of 37.2 percent. From the table below, you can see what an outlier Clark’s strong catch-and-shoot ability will be on the current roster, especially if you’re a little bit skeptical of Rondo being able to sustain his numbers from last year (numbers for Quincy Pondexter and Darius Miller are from 2014-15 and 2013-14, respectively).
LINK
If what Miller did in Germany translates to the NBA, he should be at the top of that list with Clark and Crawford.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:32 am to TigerinATL
The media and even fans keep saying we have such poor shooting, but we don't. We have average to slightly above average shooting. I get that we don't have anyone that scares people, no Steph, Korver, level shooters, but we are going to get highly efficient shots if teams consistently give us wide open 3's.
I will take 37% effective 3PA's (1.11 PPP) all day long. I think it will be sneaky effective at first. Teams will consistently let Hill, Rondo, Miller, Moore and Jrue beat them by giving them open 3's. They are not dead eye shooters, but I think Jrue, Moore, and Hill will improve incrementally on their %'s and all be in the 38-40% range. Eventually teams are going to have to adjust and at least respect them on the perimeter. Those 3 and Rondo can then mix in drives to the basket when opponents start aggressively closing out and hopefully draw some fouls.
ETA - I also think using the C&S % of the team after the Boogie trade is a bit misleading as there was a distinct adjustment period. I think having an offseason to practice with Boogie and implement a system is going to help tremendously with our outside shooting.
I will take 37% effective 3PA's (1.11 PPP) all day long. I think it will be sneaky effective at first. Teams will consistently let Hill, Rondo, Miller, Moore and Jrue beat them by giving them open 3's. They are not dead eye shooters, but I think Jrue, Moore, and Hill will improve incrementally on their %'s and all be in the 38-40% range. Eventually teams are going to have to adjust and at least respect them on the perimeter. Those 3 and Rondo can then mix in drives to the basket when opponents start aggressively closing out and hopefully draw some fouls.
ETA - I also think using the C&S % of the team after the Boogie trade is a bit misleading as there was a distinct adjustment period. I think having an offseason to practice with Boogie and implement a system is going to help tremendously with our outside shooting.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
while throwing a little bit of cold water on Holiday off-ball experiment, this is good to see, especially Hill's surprising %.
one question- how many minutes are really there for Clark, Crawford, and Miller?
one question- how many minutes are really there for Clark, Crawford, and Miller?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:40 am to NOFOX
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The media and even fans keep saying we have such poor shooting, but we don't.
i mean, hey arent the Magic or the Sixers and there are reasons for optimism, but they were the 19th best in 3P% last season. data is wonky, but on NBA.com they generated the 8th and 9th most WIDE OPEN and OPEN 3PA/G in the league last year. that's not a great conversion rate
if they can keep those attempts relatively stable (i think they will, if not actually increase them) and be even just a little bit better, it will make a huge difference.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:50 am to TigerinATL
So, you mean to tell me that Hill is league average on catch and shoot 3 pt attempts? Everyone harps on him for being a terrible shooter.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:11 am to corndeaux
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while throwing a little bit of cold water on Holiday off-ball experiment, this is good to see, especially Hill's surprising %.
In the Q&A Gentry did, he specifically mentioned how Hill grew into his expectations and was 73rd percentile C&S 3's. That was after adjusting in the beginning to new facilities, system, and team as well as adjusting to a completely different roster post-ASB.
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one question- how many minutes are really there for Clark, Crawford, and Miller?
Not a ton. There will probably be on average ~38 guard min (maybe as much as 41 if they try to preserve Rondo) and ~18 SF min available assuming:
Hill - 30
Jrue - 30
Rondo - 25+
DC is going to play at least 20 min between PF/SF. The vast majority of those 38 guard min I think go to Moore and Clark. Miller should get some of the backup SF minutes. I cant imagine Crawford averaging more than 10 min this year.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:08 am to NOFOX
I think Jrue is going to get more like 34+ minutes, than 30.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:14 am to Epic Cajun
Dont wanna start new thread
But Sam Amick from USAToday gave Pels fair grade for what they done to this point this offseason
props to Amick
But Sam Amick from USAToday gave Pels fair grade for what they done to this point this offseason
quote:
New Orleans Pelicans: C+ The DeMarcus Cousins experiment, Part II, continues. After trading for the former Kings big man in February, Pelicans general manager Dell Demps has clearly gone all in on trying to convince the three-time All-Star to stay in free agency next summer and star alongside franchise centerpiece Anthony Davis. New Orleans gave incumbent point guard Jrue Holiday a whopping $125 million over five years to stay, then added a Cousins favorite/former teammate in veteran point guard Rajon Rondo (one year, $3.3 million). The addition of young Ian Clark was a very nice pickup, but they needed more roster upgrades than this to keep up in this West arms race. - Amick
props to Amick
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:23 am to NOFOX
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I cant imagine Crawford averaging more than 10 min this year.
Yeah, I was assuming Crawford would get more minutes because he was essentially the backup PG, but between Jrue/Rondo/Point Boogie, you don't really need a backup PG. I don't know how much more they want to add to the team, but if it's just Dante maybe you can dump Crawford to clear enough money to bring Cunningham back.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:28 am to Epic Cajun
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I think Jrue is going to get more like 34+ minutes, than 30.
I think he will be around 32 and rondo at 30, but I was kind of laying out a best case scenario for the bench guys getting minutes. Clark has to be promised at least the 15 minutes he got in GS for him to come here on the minimum and he probably gets more. Moore's salary and shooting dictates that he gets 15-20 minutes. I just don't see much time for Crawford.
Miller is versatile and Gentry mentioned being able to play him at the 2, 3 and even as a stretch 4. Injuries changes everything of course.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
I get that technically Crawford is a pg, but I feel like he really plays like a sg. If it holds up, he was a better scorer than Moore last year on a much better contract. Wouldn't you prefer to dump Moore?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:58 am to pawel
They just like to shite on the Pels. That is all. If a big market team had the team the Pels have they wouldn't be getting a C+.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:07 pm to Colonel Flagg
Maybe.
But with resolving Asiks contract. Signing SF and Dante - this is B-B+ offseason.
Only Jrue contract looks not great.
Years, dollars and incentives...
But with resolving Asiks contract. Signing SF and Dante - this is B-B+ offseason.
Only Jrue contract looks not great.
Years, dollars and incentives...
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:26 pm to PTinBR
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he was a better scorer than Moore last year on a much better contract
You have to play defense too and Crawford's might be the worst I've seen from a Pel since Brian Roberts. Versatile defenders that can shoot and move the ball is what they are trying to build. Crawford doesn't fit that mold.
I'm not saying a guy like Crawford wouldn't be nice thing to have on the bench, but to me the choice isn't Crawford or Moore, it's Crawford or QPon. If they think QPon can come back I pick him over Crawford.
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Wouldn't you prefer to dump Moore?
Moore is pretty fairly valued for his production. He won't get you much on his own but he's a slightly positive contract that you bundle with other positive assets to get something better. You don't just dump Moore to free up space.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:28 pm to TigerinATL
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but if it's just Dante maybe you can dump Crawford to clear enough money to bring Cunningham back.
I'd prefer that over stretching Asik. I'd still prefer waiting until next offseason to either stretch Asik, or see if you can pair him + pick + a Jackson or Diallo type to get a competent but possibly overpaid wing from a team looking to blow things up. I like Cunningham, but just don't think that he is worth the added salary/years in stretching Asik now, especially after we landed Clark for nothing.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:14 pm to TigerinATL
I definitely agree that you keep Qpon over Crawford. If Qpon could return to form, that would be huge for us!
As for the defense, I guess I just feel that at some point you have to choose defense or offense, and Gentry is an offensive minded coach. Why not give him the toys he knows how to play with? Plus with the way the game is going, offense rules the day.
As for the defense, I guess I just feel that at some point you have to choose defense or offense, and Gentry is an offensive minded coach. Why not give him the toys he knows how to play with? Plus with the way the game is going, offense rules the day.
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