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Posted on 8/2/17 at 4:33 pm to NOFOX
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that is not valuable to us unless we are facilitating for another team
With the tightening cap many people were saying S&T might be how a lot of FA "signings" get done in the future. You probably could get an asset or 2 by flipping Asik and being the 3rd team in a S&T.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:37 pm to htran90
What if Crowder can't start anymore or even really get minutes, because they now might have 3 SF's better than him on the roster. Meanwhile, they have a PG coming off a major surgery and Smart, who can't shoot and might be looking for a huge payday.
Having a solid guy like Moore might not be bad, along with another asset.
Having a solid guy like Moore might not be bad, along with another asset.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:39 pm to htran90
When did Moore become an average starter? The only time he ever started was when we were devoid of guards last year, and I for one wasn't impressed.
I thought Crawford was better than Moore. I know Crawford played better than his typical and Moore played worse, but still.....
I thought Crawford was better than Moore. I know Crawford played better than his typical and Moore played worse, but still.....
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:45 pm to Crewz
that's a good point, hayward changes their rotations you would think. if brown makes a jump, that also pinches minutes.
crowder's still got 3 yrs left on his deal, but you are right he may be superfluous well before then. not this year though i would imagine
man i just looked at their roster...
Hayward/SF
Brown/SF
Tatum/SF
we have Solomon Hill & Darius Miller
crowder's still got 3 yrs left on his deal, but you are right he may be superfluous well before then. not this year though i would imagine
man i just looked at their roster...
Hayward/SF
Brown/SF
Tatum/SF
we have Solomon Hill & Darius Miller
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:47 pm to cgrand
Yep - Crowder is either already their 4th best SF or soon will be. Like I said, I wouldn't even do the trade, but I don't think Boston laughs and hangs up the phone. Might make more sense in January once Tatum and Brown have proven they are worthy of real minutes.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:53 pm to cgrand
Crowder has played SG-SF-PF, Brown has also played SF-PF, so I think you could realistically line ups where Crowder-Hayward-Brown are all on the court at once.
But the point isn't his lack of minutes, the fact is he's an above average starter getting paid next to nothing, he could get more value than a mid-late 1st and Moore.
But the point isn't his lack of minutes, the fact is he's an above average starter getting paid next to nothing, he could get more value than a mid-late 1st and Moore.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:01 pm to htran90
Boston shopped him and Utah could have had him if they parted with a future pick, but they refused. So, Boston moved on to the Bradley for Morris deal.
The opinion of Crowder around the league isn't insanely high. He is a slightly above average defender now, who can only shoot when open or wide open, can't create for himself or others.
Which is why I'd actually say no to it.
The opinion of Crowder around the league isn't insanely high. He is a slightly above average defender now, who can only shoot when open or wide open, can't create for himself or others.
Which is why I'd actually say no to it.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:10 pm to Crewz
are we gonna see pondexter at camp or no?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:12 pm to cgrand
If he isn't traded, sure. Dell still needs to shed money and it can happen any number of ways, but QPon is planning on being at camp with someone.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:12 pm to Crewz
Yeah I remember Simmons saying on his podcast that Crowder's defense fell off noticeably last year and that used to be one of his best attributes.
I do think waiting to see how Miller/Crawford/Clark/Hill/Moore fair next year is the best move. If you have a logjam at SG or you're SF trio isn't cutting it you can start trying to make a move.
I do think waiting to see how Miller/Crawford/Clark/Hill/Moore fair next year is the best move. If you have a logjam at SG or you're SF trio isn't cutting it you can start trying to make a move.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:50 pm to Crewz
I'd love Chandler from Denver. Does anyone think Moore + Ajinca + 2nd would do it? I'd be more reluctant if it was a 1st instead of a 2nd but I really like Chandler in Nola. I don't think he's a "needle-mover," but he's such an upgrade to Solo and such a great fit that I think he would lock us into the playoffs and maybe even a 5th or 6th seed.
Crowder isn't a bad idea considering he could also play small ball 4. He would essentially be an upgraded Dante Cunningham. But I dont think he'd be a noticeable upgrade over Solo.
Moore has value. No one is going to trade for him and start him, but he can be a really solid contributor on a team like Denver or Boston
Crowder isn't a bad idea considering he could also play small ball 4. He would essentially be an upgraded Dante Cunningham. But I dont think he'd be a noticeable upgrade over Solo.
Moore has value. No one is going to trade for him and start him, but he can be a really solid contributor on a team like Denver or Boston
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:11 pm to DeionDeion
But I am curious - why do you love Chandler?
Is it because his listed position is SF and you don't like our other guys listed at SF on the program? Because, as for skill sets, I don't see why we should love him on this team.
I know it's really nice to make up a roster depth chart and have all the guys stacked neatly at positions and it looks good on paper -- but how does having Chandler on this team actually make them better than having Moore - a much better shooter and on ball defender?
Personally, I hope they just run three guards a ton. Only get me a "small forward" if he is a real needle mover or has a skill set we desperately need. Otherwise, I will just keep throwing waves of guards out there.
Is it because his listed position is SF and you don't like our other guys listed at SF on the program? Because, as for skill sets, I don't see why we should love him on this team.
I know it's really nice to make up a roster depth chart and have all the guys stacked neatly at positions and it looks good on paper -- but how does having Chandler on this team actually make them better than having Moore - a much better shooter and on ball defender?
Personally, I hope they just run three guards a ton. Only get me a "small forward" if he is a real needle mover or has a skill set we desperately need. Otherwise, I will just keep throwing waves of guards out there.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:14 pm to Crewz
I just want you to know that when you go into "get off my yard" mode on twitter, I get a hardon... I talk a lot of BS but I have a lot of respect for you. Thanks for not being fletch
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:27 pm to Cheesy Beaver
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And some of you wanted us to trade assets to throw 8 mil at this guy when Dell just waited patiently and got him for the minimum.
Thats why hes one of the best.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:34 pm to dj30
Because he finally used a strategy he hasn't used in 7 years?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:49 pm to Crewz
Well before I start, I'll concede I do not know a ton about Wilson Chandler. I'm a casual observer and rely on other people's assessment and his statistics. So with that disclaimer...
It seems he's better than Solo and maybe thats why I like him. Even if he's the same as Moore in terms of value, Moore doesn't play SF. Plus Chandler only has two years left on his contract and it could allow us the opportunity to unload Ajinca as well.
Chandler knows the Finch offense and had one of his better years in Denver. I would assume it's at least in part due to Finch. So again I'd assume he moves well off the ball and cuts well. He attempts twice as many shots and converts around a similar rate to Solo (although last year he dipped on his 3 point percentage). My thinking is that would at least force teams to respect Chandler enough to not leave him wide open creating some room for AD and Boogie. According to his advanced stats on defense, it doesn't seem like he's better than Solo, but his offensive stats are light years ahead and it seems that at the very least places him ahead of Hill. Lastly, he rebounds. He's got one of the better rebounding rates in the NBA at small forward. My thoughts here is that it allows Boogie and AD to be almost anywhere on the offensive side of the ball and gives us a chance at some offensive rebounds and extra possessions without needing our big men to stay under the basket.
It seems he's better than Solo and maybe thats why I like him. Even if he's the same as Moore in terms of value, Moore doesn't play SF. Plus Chandler only has two years left on his contract and it could allow us the opportunity to unload Ajinca as well.
Chandler knows the Finch offense and had one of his better years in Denver. I would assume it's at least in part due to Finch. So again I'd assume he moves well off the ball and cuts well. He attempts twice as many shots and converts around a similar rate to Solo (although last year he dipped on his 3 point percentage). My thinking is that would at least force teams to respect Chandler enough to not leave him wide open creating some room for AD and Boogie. According to his advanced stats on defense, it doesn't seem like he's better than Solo, but his offensive stats are light years ahead and it seems that at the very least places him ahead of Hill. Lastly, he rebounds. He's got one of the better rebounding rates in the NBA at small forward. My thoughts here is that it allows Boogie and AD to be almost anywhere on the offensive side of the ball and gives us a chance at some offensive rebounds and extra possessions without needing our big men to stay under the basket.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:55 pm to Fun Bunch
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Because he finally used a strategy he hasn't used in 7 years?
If he can find a way to survive Asik's contract probably the best way forward is this conservative approach. Look at our trade options, we aren't getting anyone that's much better than Solomon Hill. We're going to have to develop guys.
The one good thing that also hasn't happened in 7 years is you had 2 former champions take less money to play for the Pels. If they're successful this offseason you hopefully see even more of that next year and we can keep and use our picks.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Hes signed other min guys and gotten production out of him. Hell, we had Terrence Jones just last year.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:09 pm to dj30
I was one of the bigger defenders of Demps until the Asik contract, and I was for resigning him. But it was obvious to EVERYBODY but Demps that Asik was never going to live up to that contract, especially the years. When he gave Asik that deal I ran out of mental gymnastics I could do to project a positive path forward where the team got good enough to keep AD. Look at the damage that deal is causing and there are still 3 years left on it 
Demps has locked this team into a core of AD/DC/Jrue as it's best 3 players and acquiring both AD and DC all came down to luck, not superior GMing. Imagine us having the same limitations as now only instead of Cousins maybe we signed Galinari. No Rondo and probably no Clark. That's the path Demps skill as a GM had us on. And oh yeah, he probably would have gotten fired if the other 2 GMs that got fired for not trading for Cousins had had the guts to beat us to the punch.
They say it's better to be lucky than good, and I agree with that sentiment. Cousins may well save Demps and the AD era of the Pels. But Demps has a long way to go to earn trust back from the fans.
Demps has locked this team into a core of AD/DC/Jrue as it's best 3 players and acquiring both AD and DC all came down to luck, not superior GMing. Imagine us having the same limitations as now only instead of Cousins maybe we signed Galinari. No Rondo and probably no Clark. That's the path Demps skill as a GM had us on. And oh yeah, he probably would have gotten fired if the other 2 GMs that got fired for not trading for Cousins had had the guts to beat us to the punch.
They say it's better to be lucky than good, and I agree with that sentiment. Cousins may well save Demps and the AD era of the Pels. But Demps has a long way to go to earn trust back from the fans.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 8:17 pm
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