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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue

Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:32 am to
Posted by cajun_tiger
Member since Jun 2012
239 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:32 am to
I agree with you on the point that it's not always fair, but, this situation is not the same as others when a top 20-25 player gets traded. This is other teams coming to us, not a star player asking out. That makes a huge difference. Teams are not only competing with each other, but also against us in that it has to be a better deal than us keeping him. Fans don't put proper value on a players defensive abilities. Players and good front offices do. No way should we come out of this trade complaining. I don't think we're gonna fleece anyone, but I feel like we're gonna think we won the long game on this deal.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29735 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:48 am to
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Wish we could get J Issac from Orlando in the Zo or Jrue trades.



i've been saying that for some time. Really would love to get him, but i seriously doubt they move him.

The Magic have a plethora of big men, and they need to get rid of some.
Vucevic 3 years left at $26M/yr
Gordon 2 years left at $18M/yr
Isaac 1 year left on rookie deal
Mo Bamba 1 year left on rookie deal
Khem Birch 1 year left at $3.8M (he actually played really well for them last year)

They are going to have to decide what they want to do with Isaac, which i would assume would be to resign him, and then Bamba, which i have no idea what they are going to do with him, but i doubt they want to pay him big money, and i douct they want to let go of him b/c he showed a lot of promise last year. The Magic just have to many big men to spread minutes out, so Bamba hasn't gotten that chance to play big minutes yet, and he had some injury issues his first year in the league and missed some summer league play, but i still think they are very high on the former #6 pick.

quote:

Shot-blocking, his strongest asset as a prospect entering the NBA, continued to earn him minutes in the deep Magic frontcourt rotation. The numbers would say Bamba was the league’s best shot-blocker this season — he averaged 3.5 blocks per 36 minutes. According to Basketball Index and data from Second Spectrum, opponents shot 14.6-percent worse at the rim when Bamba was defending it.


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Pairing Mohamed Bamba with Magic Head Coach Steve Clifford, known for reverence for the defensive side of the ball, portended well for Bamba in his development. And the improvement showed year over year. During his sophomore season, Bamba’s team defensive mistakes were fewer and far between.

He was not caught in “no man’s land” as often, a frequent occurrence during his injury-shortened rookie season.
Bamba also showed improved help-side defense in his rotations and a dedicated propensity to keeping his arms “high and wide.” With a 7-foot 10-inch wingspan, Bamba’s length can plug holes in the Magic perimeter defense.



Maybe Bamba is a guy we should look at targeting this year?

Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36328 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:02 am to
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what's the difference between #3 and #6? Would you do a trade with Chicago for Jrue and get basically nothing back but #6?

Atlanta is pick 6, and I've already said I would trade Jrue for the 6th pick straight up.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:02 am to
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Wish we could get J Issac from Orlando in the Zo or Jrue trades.

Is he even going to play this season? If not, are you going to trade for him and then have to negotiate an extension without seeing him back in action? Too risky.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29735 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:08 am to
Isaac didn't have some long term injury. He tore his ACL. that's a routine surgery and recovery these days, especially when you're young.
He's a very similar player to Bam, and had a breakout season this year even though he's sharing so much playing time with others in Orlando.

I think he's the perfect 5 to play with Zion, and i'd jump all over a trade for him right now if his value is lower b/c of the injury.
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 9:09 am
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:28 am to
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Isaac didn't have some long term injury. He tore his ACL. that's a routine surgery and recovery these days, especially when you're young.
He's a very similar player to Bam, and had a breakout season this year even though he's sharing so much playing time with others in Orlando.

I think he's the perfect 5 to play with Zion, and i'd jump all over a trade for him right now if his value is lower b/c of the injury.

So, you are going to trade for him, lose a whole season, and then pay him a large extension without ever seeing him play on your team? I don't see that.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17333 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:33 am to
I would send Orlando a lottery protected 1st that turns into 2nds, but I wouldn't do much of any value for him, not to mention his history of lower extremity injuries, which is not good for big men.

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08/02/2020Acl
01/01/2020Knee
12/18/2019Hamstring/Back
11/15/2019Right Ankle
04/09/2019Concussion
11/02/2018Right Ankle Sprain
04/02/2018Sore Left Ankle
03/21/2018Strained Left Foot
12/27/2017Sore Ankle
12/20/2017Ankle
11/12/2017Sore Ankle

This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 9:35 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127826 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:35 am to
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08/02/2020Acl01/01/2020Knee12/18/2019Hamstring/Back11/15/2019Right Ankle04/09/2019Concussion11/02/2018Right Ankle Sprain04/02/2018Sore Left Ankle03/21/2018Strained Left Foot12/27/2017Sore Ankle12/20/2017Ankle11/12/2017Sore Ankle


Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:36 am to
I just have the feeling that when all is said and done, Jrue is on the roster on opening night.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127826 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 9:38 am to
No matter what the Pels say, I'm willing to bet it won't be for lack of trying.

There is too much smoke about them wanting to move up in this draft, they are actively trying to use Jrue to do so imo.

It may not happen but I believe they are doing their damndest.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29735 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 10:17 am to
looks like a bunch of ankle sprains. Big whoop, although he has missed a good bit of time through 3 years.

Like i said, if his trade value is down, and the Magic are willing to part with him, then yes, i'd be perfectly fine with having him sit out a good part of this year and still giving him an extension right now. You can probably get him for cheap b/c he probably would love to secure his next contract asap. Give him a 3 year extension at $45M, make the last year a PO so if he comes back strong he can get his next contract sooner.
I'd give up 13 and cleveland 2nds to acquire him, but i'd hope our trade with Jrue nets us a top 10 pick and a player.
I'm ok with not being a playoff team next year, as long as we get better and still are close to .500, and i think we can do that even without Jrue and Isaac and more young players. I still say Hart can give us a lot of what Jrue gives us.
Posted by Primetime Predator
Member since Nov 2020
1131 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:07 pm to
If we can get Zo to yield us Issac with it looking like Jrue to Atlanta. The Magic could use a Pg and Zo would turn a large contract incoming with a log jam of big men in to a young PG the Magic could use.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36328 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 1:35 pm to
On the Russillo pod today he mentioned that the Pels were interested in Chris Paul, but Paul wanted to play with Jrue if he was coming here, and there's no way that could happen (because of contracts).

On a non Pels note, he mentioned that several teams were interested in Paul but it doesn't appear that any of them would really work out, except for possibly Phoenix.

He's pretty close to someone close to Paul (seems like he usually has info there), so I think what he's saying makes sense, not that we didn't already have the Phoenix info, but it's interesting to know about all the teams that reached out about him.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6046 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 1:51 pm to
Can get him here by making it multi team. Would need to move Zo, NAW, Hayes, Miller
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36328 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 1:54 pm to
Yeah, I don't think that we would trade 3 young prospects for 2 years of Paul.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29735 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 2:10 pm to
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Yeah, I don't think that we would trade 3 young prospects for 2 years of Paul.


If that’s all it took to get CP3 I’d do that in a heartbeat.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17333 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 2:16 pm to
We have other ways of making the salary, namely a S&T of Favors and Moore.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22197 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 2:40 pm to
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On the Russillo pod today he mentioned that the Pels were interested in Chris Paul, but Paul wanted to play with Jrue if he was coming here
Just listened to this too. Really interesting.

Russillo also echoed Stephen A Smith saying Paul does not want to play for the Lakers. Stephen A even got a text during the CP3 segment, saying he was wrong, but doubled down basically saying his info is coming directly from Paul. I like that Paul won't go to the Lakers, i just wonder what the beef is. Neither guy seems to want to say whats up.
Posted by Primetime Predator
Member since Nov 2020
1131 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 2:49 pm to
Probably LaDouche
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 3:03 pm to
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Probably LaDouche

Thought he and Lebron were close. Maybe he is jealous of Lebron's new love, AD.
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