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TeddyPadillac
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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
You are saying we would need a sweetner in a Lonzo/Lauri swap.
Now we are sending Wiggins for Thad/Sato basically.

I don't want Wiggins not b/c he's a bad player or his contract, but b/c he's a loser imo. He can score the basketball, and maybe a change of scenery will do wonders for him like it did for Oladipo.

I don't think we could get a first from Chicago for him, but i also don't think a Wiggins for Thad/Sato swap is very fair for us, despite Wiggins contract. I think the Bulls would like to pair him with LaVine.


My opinions aren't always what's popular. I don't want Wiggins, same as i don't want LeVert, same as i wouldn't want LaVine. I don't want them, doesn't mean other teams don't see value in them. I can be an idiot.
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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
Well, they aren't getting Wiggins from us, they are getting him from GSW. Its a 3 team deal, not two separate transactions.

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I don't want Wiggins not b/c he's a bad player or his contract, but b/c he's a loser imo.


I mean...maybe Chicago feels the same way. They are under new management with a MUCH smarter FO in my opinion.

I think Chicago will want assets to take Wiggins, just like we would.

You're thinking too much about us and not the other teams in the deal.

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My opinions aren't always what's popular. I don't want Wiggins


No one WANTS Wiggins.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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Toppin is even worse defensively than Markkanen though.

Right. He's like a more skilled Enes Kanter


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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No one WANTS Wiggins.




I don't believe that.
He's a 20 point scorer. His defense this past year was better than any year before by a good bit. He's played on a shitty team his whole career as the #1 guy basically. Let him take a back seat to 2 other guys and still give you that 20 points.

If he interviewed well with me and showed me his commitment to defense and playing a 3rd and possibly 4th fiddle role on our team, i'd gladly take him.

Teams that don't have max contracts on their team can afford to take on someone like Wiggins, like us, or the Bulls, or other small market teams that don't attract big name FA's can afford to take on his salary.


If you look at him like we did Hayes/Horford, where you overpay Horford while Hayes grows, Wiggins can be similar in that yes you are massivly overpaying him, but you still have great production from Hart/NAW/rookies for cheap.
Wiggins is still only 25. He just had a kid with his long term g/f a year ago. It's not hard to think he is maturing a good bit right now. That's my biggest concern with him, his maturity and care about winning, not his play or his contract.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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Teams that don't have max contracts on their team can afford to take on someone like Wiggins, like us, or the Bulls, or other small market teams that don't attract big name FA's can afford to take on his salary.


And the reason a team with cap space is willing to take on a contract like that is...to receive value in return.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
McNamara is repotting that he is hearing the Knicks are interested in Lonzo.

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Have heard from two people I trust that Knicks have explored pairing the Ball Brothers. Would you guys do this one

Warriors get Jrue

Knicks get Lonzo, #2 and Wiggins (might reroute)

Pels get Barrett, #8 ,Wolves 2021 (note the cap space too)


Would y’all be interested in that?


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
I don't think the Knicks would give up Barrett at this point. But I think Zion would like it. The Minny 2021 would be interesting.



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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
I'm not sure they would either, but they are under completely new management. Its possible that they think that getting the Ball brothers is a big enough draw and then tanking for a much better 2021 draft is worth it, and they just don't think Barrett is all that good.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
I’d want another future first from the Knicks tbh. Whether it’s the Mavs pick or a lightly protected future Knicks pick.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
As it is I think Knicks fans would have a cow over this.

The value is relatively even currently. Having them add a 1st would be too much.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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I’d want another future first from the Knicks tbh. Whether it’s the Mavs pick or a lightly protected future Knicks pick.


Why? The Knicks are giving up too much value.
Lonzo for #8 - Fair Value
#2 to take on Wiggins - Knicks owe some change, but not RJ Barrett level change.

As it's listed I feel the Pels would need to give the Knicks something if they are getting Barret back, at least a handful of seconds or a future late 1st.

Did Barrett have a horrible rookie season or something where he's seen as a negative now?


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
One additional thing that Crewz pointed out I didn't think of:

You're dumping a ton of salary in this trade. You're adding Barrett and a top 8 pick, a really good pick next year.

You could be a major player in FA with guys like FVV.

You'd also have enough future salary and future assets to add another major star if the opportunity presents itself.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
Yeah the Knicks are the one that would likely balk at this, unless we just are totally underestimating their love for Balls. ;)

They'd likely want the 2021 Minny pick. I wouldn't want to budge on that given we are giving two of the better players in the deal.



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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
Yeah y’all are right. I guess I just assume giving up Jrue and Lonzo is worth a slightly more but I get y’all a reasonings. Definitely not giving Knicks that Minny pick. I like RJ but I’m not THAT high on him.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
I didn't like RJ Barrett going into the draft, and he didn't look all that interesting to me during the season. He has potential but I've just never been impressed by him at all.

Still, he has enough potential to do this deal.

It all depends on what the Knicks think of him. And this is a time they could get away with something like this since their won't be fans at the draft to boo them.


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
And I can give RJ the excuse of his team being absolutely toxic and selfish and that hampering his abilities a bit. That team is a mess with a bunch of stat padding losers.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
I wouldn’t do that.
I was never that high on Barrett, and I’m still not.

I think most people think he’s 6’9”. He’s 6’6”


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
Is Barrett too redundant with Ingram? I could see doing it for asset accumulation though.

And no way the Knicks get the Minny pick too. It’s a top 10 pick at least and unprotected in 2022 so it could be #1. You remind the Knicks we don’t have to give them Lonzo or the #2. They’ll take a late 1st or barrel of 2nds and like it.
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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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McNamara is repotting that he is hearing the Knicks are interested in Lonzo.

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Have heard from two people I trust that Knicks have explored pairing the Ball Brothers. Would you guys do this one

Warriors get Jrue

Knicks get Lonzo, #2 and Wiggins (might reroute)

Pels get Barrett, #8 ,Wolves 2021 (note the cap space too)


Would y’all be interested in that?
Would really like that deal, but think it is a pipe dream. While Barrett was disappointing last year, I do not see the Knicks giving up him and the # for Ball and #2 (and having to take on Wiggins' contract).


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re: Pelicans offseason thread: Pels hire SVG/NBA draft - Nov. 18/ Pelicans pick 13, 39, 42, 60
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Is Barrett too redundant with Ingram?


A bit yeah. Unless Barrett really focuses on his defense and accepts a significant role player type position for us.


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