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re: Oden has narrowed down his choices to Pelicans, Heat
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:04 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:04 am to Mickey Goldmill
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When did I advocate that we NEED to give him a guaranteed 2nd year?
That seemed to be implied by calling me silly for not wanting a player option. If that wasn't the intent I withdraw the silly aimed at you
Chad and 596 are the Oden supporters that seem to be suffering from irrational exuberance.This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 11:06 am
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:08 am to Gtothemoney
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I think it's only the goofballs on here who are desperate to land him that are saying that.
I guess that's me.
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If Bynum couldn't get a guaranteed second year, there is no chance in hell Oden gets one.
max contract vs. 3M
you're probably right...I'm not dying to give the guy 2 guaranteed years, but I wouldn't be mad if we did. I would like to get Oden.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:08 am to TigerinATL
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Chad and 596 are the Oden supporters that seem to be suffering from irrational exuberance.
If offering Oden a 2nd year is what separates the Pelicans from the Heat and you sir want to draw the line of not wanting to do that and that's the difference between signing or not signing Oden, you should jump off a cliff.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:10 am to LSU1SLU
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I'm just still cracking up about we how we shouldn't sign Oden because we need practice players. Yes practice is important, but these dudes ain't high schoolers and if worst comes to worst I think they could find a guard to come practice with them. Cuz there is no other big y'all have suggested we sign instead of Oden. So I'm assuming y'all want another guard.
You seem smart. That's not what was said or implied at all.
We are strictly talking about a 2nd year guarantee, and wasting a roster spot on a guy that can't even practice (strictly if it doesn't work out due to injury) is a factor that must be considered.
I want a 2nd year Team Option IN CASE it doesn't work out, so that we can add a player that is at least USEFUL to the guaranteed roster spots.
This is not a hard concept to understand.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:12 am to Chad504boy
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If offering Oden a 2nd year is what separates the Pelicans from the Heat and you sir want to draw the line of not wanting to do that and that's the difference between signing or not signing Oden, you should jump off a cliff.
My guess would be that NO ONE is offering Oden a 2nd year guaranteed, and no one will offer him that. I'm sure that's what his agent is trying to secure from someone, but that shite ain't happening.
Sorry, anyone that thinks Oden should get a 2nd year fully guaranteed just doesn't understand a lot of concepts about this league. I repeat, no one is offering that or will offer that.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
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My guess would be that NO ONE is offering Oden a 2nd year guaranteed, and no one will offer him that. I'm sure that's what his agent is trying to secure from someone, but that shite ain't happening.
Sorry, anyone that thinks Oden should get a 2nd year fully guaranteed just doesn't understand a lot of concepts about this league. I repeat, no one is offering that or will offer that.
What if he tells Demps, "I'm going to the Heat unless I get that second year guaranteed from you."
Is that not worth the risk to get him?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
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My guess would be that NO ONE is offering Oden a 2nd year guaranteed, and no one will offer him that. I'm sure that's what his agent is trying to secure from someone, but that shite ain't happening.
Sorry, anyone that thinks Oden should get a 2nd year fully guaranteed just doesn't understand a lot of concepts about this league. I repeat, no one is offering that or will offer that.
from what i recall, the 2nd yr from pelicans was a team option.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:15 am to drake20
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max contract vs. 3M
Bynum is only 6M guaranteed this season.
Performance benchmarks could bump it up to 12M this season and then a team option at 12M for next. If he's healthy, he is worth more than 12M.
Bynum is a big risk as well, but he has shown much, much more than Oden in the NBA.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:16 am to Chad504boy
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If offering Oden a 2nd year is what separates the Pelicans from the Heat
This isn't Drew Brees part 2. I trust Demps to make the right call on Oden's risk, but a bidding war should only push you to your predetermined limit, not determine where your limits are.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:17 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Is that not worth the risk to get him?
Of course not. Isiah Thomas might, that's about it.
He hasn't played since 2009. He's had 5 surgeries, including 3 microfracture surgeries.
1 year with a Team Option is all any team will offer. Anything else is just Agent manipulation.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:18 am to Chad504boy
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from what i recall, the 2nd yr from pelicans was a team option.
No one knows what we are offering.
That is what this argument is all about. I have no problem whatsoever with a 1 year deal and a 2nd year TO.
I'd even let it be a mutual option (which I think is permissable), where we both have to agree for him to come back (Team and Player Option).
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:20 am to TigerinATL
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This isn't Drew Brees part 2.
This whole discussion has gone off the rails. Oden would be the 3rd center and 5th big man on a potential 7 or 8 seed.
I'm glad people have heard of him and remember him fondly- he seems like a nice guy who's had some rotten luck, but he isn't the can't miss prospect from 2007 any more.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:21 am to Fun Bunch
Actually it was said and also was implied. Look at the prior post by you and jester. I'm about to be at practice so I'm outta here
No im not in high school
No im not in high school
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:25 am to corndeaux
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I'm glad people have heard of him and remember him fondly- he seems like a nice guy who's had some rotten luck, but he isn't the can't miss prospect from 2007 any more.
Truth
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:25 am to LSU1SLU
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Actually it was said and also was implied. Look at the prior post by you and jester. I'm about to be at practice so I'm outta here
No im not in high school
You don't understand context or how to follow the course of an argument. Clearly.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:25 am to LSU1SLU
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Actually it was said and also was implied. Look at the prior post by you and jester.
As part of a bigger picture. It is one of several significant drawbacks of signing Oden.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:28 am to Fun Bunch
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1 year with a Team Option is all any team will offer. Anything else is just Agent manipulation.
We aren't the Miami heat though. If we offer an identical deal, that may not be enough. Im not saying we go back to the Peja days where we vastly overcompensate to make up for being a smaller market, but you can't just always look at it like "nobody is offering this, so we shouldn't either".
Like I said before, I'm not advocating that we have to give him a guaranteed second year, but if he goes to the Heat and it turns out that's all it would have taken to get him here, I will be disappointed.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:32 am to Mickey Goldmill
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We aren't the Miami heat though. If we offer an identical deal
We aren't offering an identical deal. We are offering more money, by all reports.
Who cares that much anyway? Oden is not worth getting into some kind of crazy bidding war for.
He's not even cleared for 5 on 5 and he had his last surgery in 2012.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
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if he goes to the Heat and it turns out that's all it would have taken to get him here, I will be disappointed.
I think it was corndeaux who said it should be a Lopez deal, a 3 year deal with a team option in year 2 but picking up that team option guarantees year 2 and 3. That way you get your team option but offer enough to outbid Miami's one year deal and if Oden has anything left in the tank the 3 year deal gets you his Bird Rights to outbid anyone else when his deal is up.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 11:36 am to Fun Bunch
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He's not even cleared for 5 on 5
Where is this coming from? I'm not disputing it. I just must have missed it. Anyone have a link?
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 11:37 am
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